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Toyota PTO winch rated capacity....

Discussion in '40- & 55-Series Tech' started by Poser, Jan 24, 2004.

  1. Poser

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    Did pleanty of searching with that gem of a search program...

    I know this was out here, and that we went on and on about it...

    Anyone remember?

    Thanks!

    -Steve
     
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    I recall reading that the stock shear pin is "rated" at 3500lbs
     
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    I have found various numbers. The FJ40/55 owner's manuals say either 1000 lbs or 1500 lbs, depending on the year, and I have seen 69 and 72 manuals. I have, since that earlier discussion you refer to occurred, however, found an ad (the one called "Options" that the guy sells on Ebay as a poster) that says 8000 lbs, which is more in line with what I had thought.
     
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    Oh. Just found that advert.
     
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    Dave, thats for a Warn upright(pre 8274)

    [quote author=IDave link=board=1;threadid=10558;start=msg94880#msg94880 date=1074957688]
    Oh. Just found that advert.
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    but in digging thru my old lit I found a 1970ish canadian brocure that says the PTO is rated at 8000lbs........but thats they only rating I have been able to find and not sure if that right or not.

    [quote author=Landpimp link=board=1;threadid=10558;start=msg94884#msg94884 date=1074959436]
    Dave, thats for a Warn upright(pre 8274)
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    "do not excede the 1500lb capacity of the winch, pulling heavier loads will cause the shear pin to shear"

    supposedly from the owners manual

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    then my 67 owners manual calles the PTO rating 1 ton. 72 manual calls it 1.5 ton.
     
  8. IDave

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    What makes you say that advert is for the Warn, John? I see nothing about that in the ad. I agree about the owner's manual ratings. But 1000 lbs isn't anything. It makes no sense to have a winch that weak, and those who have them have taken them well beyond that with ease.
     
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    1998 HZJ75 owners manual states the winch is rated for 1,800 kg which is 2.2 lbs = 1 kg

    that is about 3,950...


    Ramsey dealer add on (aka Rhino- Gardenia California) are "8,000" lbs winches.

    Shear pin is fuse and rates around 1,500kg-1,800 for the entire run of the factory PTO.

    1.5 tons is 3,000 pounds John (2,000lbs = 1 ton)
     
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    yeah yeah yeah........hadn't had my coffee yet :flipoff2:

    [quote author=rick_d link=board=1;threadid=10558;start=msg94915#msg94915 date=1074965164]
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    1.5 tons is 3,000 pounds John (2,000lbs = 1 ton)
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    because in all the ads and brocures I have seen Toyota states the rating of the Warn winch, not the PTO..............and just cause it is :D

    [quote author=IDave link=board=1;threadid=10558;start=msg94913#msg94913 date=1074964733]
    What makes you say that advert is for the Warn, John? I see nothing about that in the ad. I agree about the owner's manual ratings. But 1000 lbs isn't anything. It makes no sense to have a winch that weak, and those who have them have taken them well beyond that with ease.
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    My PTO winch with a 1/4" Dowell Pin was able to pull up two cruisers up a muddy hill :flipoff2:
     
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    Here are the differences in the Sheer Pins.

    Left: Factory Toyota Sheer Pin Middle: 1/4" Roll Pin (what i currently have in mine) Right: 1/4" Dowell Pin
     
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    Different view
     
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    [quote author=Landpimp link=board=1;threadid=10558;start=msg94962#msg94962 date=1074972417]
    because in all the ads and brocures I have seen Toyota states the rating of the Warn winch, not the PTO..............and just cause it is :D
    [/quote]

    Well, now you've seen an ad that says nothing about the Warn winch. And, since the ad is about the available options, and the owner's manuals discuss the PTO winch under the section on available options, I think we can assume that it is the PTO winch they mean when they refer to available options. A Warn would be a dealer add-on. I suspect that since the owner's manuals were printed in Japan, the "one-ton" or "one and a half ton" capacity ratings were just a translation mistake or error or otherwise inaccurate. The engine manual has errors in it that are clearly that way. The ad I posted, however, was printed in the US (Sunset Magazine), and was more likely properly edited. I just can't believe the PTO is only a 1 ton winch. I don't think Greeny's winch would do what it does if it was a 2000 lb jobber. Clearly there is a lot of inconsistancy within the Toyota literature about what the ratings are. It is interesting that the rating Rick Donnelly reported comes out to almost exactly the curb weight of an FJ40. Same winch is either 1500 lbs, 2000 lbs, 2500 lbs, 3960 lbs, or 8000 lbs.

    :D
     
  18. nats-fj40

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    I sent this question in to the 'trails" a couple years back. As I recall the answer was toyota "under rated" the winch, it's closer to 8000. If I can find the issue it was in I'll post the real answer I got.
     
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    Perhaps the rating issues stems from the fact that there
    exists no standard way of rating a winch. The electric
    winch folk use the stall rating of the motor IIRC. The
    PTO winch of course does not stall -- its got too much
    horsepower behind it. Instead the shear pin shears or
    (if the shear pin is disabled) something else breaks. A
    good mechanical engineer should be able to work out the
    pulling capacity of the winch given the diameter and
    yield point of the steel in the shear pin. (You would also
    need the gear ratios of the winch itself, diameter of the
    drum ....) I'm sure the owner's manuals were wrong; in
    addition the Japanese once used a measure of metric
    tons, which was either 1000 or 2000 kg, I can't remember.
     
  20. IDave

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    Just looked it up. A metric ton is 1000 kg, or 2205 lbs. A little more than an English ton.

    You make a ton of sense. 8)
     
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