TJM's NEW PRO LOCKER? (1 Viewer)
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Very similar to an ARB in design (some differnces), last time I checked they were more expensive than an ARB and I have not heard of one single person who is running one yet.
Personaly, I would wait a bit to see how they hold up.
Personaly, I would wait a bit to see how they hold up.
lowenbrau
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That's going to be a tough game to get into. Most users are well satisfied with the ARB. The ARB is reliable enough to most people that the TJM, even if better in design is not going to be much of a seller unless they get the price below the ARB.
Personally, I had an air locker go south, years ago and didn't feel I got taken care of by Airlocker USA as well as I could have so I'd prolly try the TJM if it proves to be any good, just out of spite.
Personally, I had an air locker go south, years ago and didn't feel I got taken care of by Airlocker USA as well as I could have so I'd prolly try the TJM if it proves to be any good, just out of spite.
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that hose looks HD.... 
that hose looks HD....
ANY air locker can have a hose that tough. But it is nice that they include a good quality hose in the kit...
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Jonathan_Ferguson
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The Jack McNamara Diff Lock has been 'round for many years.
Their main business is general Differential repairs. I had them fit my Righmond Gear Lock Rights, which were incorrectly dropshipped for a Tundra/T-100/Tacoma, Jeff was able to come up with a solution which only required machining of the Carrier. Build Thread
I've never shopped at TJM, as when I did think I needed to go, I found out they weren't open Saturdays. I also don't shop at ARB as their customer service and product knowledge is nonexistant, and their prices are way out of line.
Their main business is general Differential repairs. I had them fit my Righmond Gear Lock Rights, which were incorrectly dropshipped for a Tundra/T-100/Tacoma, Jeff was able to come up with a solution which only required machining of the Carrier.
Build ThreadOn that Link, Mick mentions an 'Ox' Compressor. The Ox brand is what TJM call their rebadged Mile Marker products.
I've never shopped at TJM, as when I did think I needed to go, I found out they weren't open Saturdays. I also don't shop at ARB as their customer service and product knowledge is nonexistant, and their prices are way out of line.
Tapage
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I'm pretty happy with my both ARB lockers .. since I intalled 'em in 2003 ( few years now ) never got a leak and never broke a like ( the blue cheapes ones )
So .. why move to other air locker more expensive .?
I thought TJM need to fix it under ARB for a while at least just to geain some market and global reputation .. as ARB have.
In Autralia you can ear great comments for the TJM air locker .. but it's the same that you ear around the world from ARB and less money.
So .. why move to other air locker more expensive .?
I thought TJM need to fix it under ARB for a while at least just to geain some market and global reputation .. as ARB have.
In Autralia you can ear great comments for the TJM air locker .. but it's the same that you ear around the world from ARB and less money.
My opinion...
Looks like a great unit, as noted a very similar design to the ARB unit. Both units have been extremely proven over the years, I wouldn't hesitate to run either given equal opportunities and support here in the US. However that really isn't the case.
How I would make my decision. Well based on several factors, take note these are applicable to NA/SA customers, these variables will surely be different for Aussie based folks:
Price: I don't know of US pricing on the TJM unit, but I can gaurantee that it will be higher based on the Aussie prices and the weak network of TJM dealers in the US. ARB stocks THOUSANDS of air lockers at their US facility in Seattle, you can't beat their overhead in regards to the final price of the unit.
Availability: The ARB is available today, in fact I could have a hundered or more of them to you by the end of the week. While this isn't as a big of a deal of the end consumer (you only need one or two right), but it is a big deal for a vendor like myself. I need them when I need them... which is when my customers need them. TJM just doesn't have the dealer network and US wharehouse like ARB.
Spare Parts: Face it, anything and everything can break, and anything can get messed up during install or damage when another part breakes (such as a side gear when a rear LC axle breaks or a seal housing when a pinion breaks). Where are the spare parts for the TJM? With the ARB, not only do lots of vendors stock spares (I have just about every internal/external ARB spare in stock), ARB's US wharehouse has it all too, and they can have it in the mail the same day. Things like the fitting on the bulkhead that gets ripped off when you break a leaf spring or control arm, things a compressor switch that you broke installing. Minor items, with big results. Very important both to consumers and vendors alike.
Customer Service: In addition to the countless vendors who are more than willing to help out with ARB tech questions, ARB itself has an excellent Tech staff. I deal with manufacture tech departments all the time, ARB is hands-down one of the best out there. These guys know the product and know how to fix it, that goes ALONG ways in my book, both as a consumer and a vendor.
Take it for whats its worth, I started out as just an ARB user, and am not an ARB seller/installer... While my opinion is surely biased, its not without merit.
Is there a market for them here in the US, mabey... but not a big one. Unless the pricing is significantly lower which I doubt they can do with the volume of sales ARB already has "in th bag", they won't attract to many new customers. I wouldn't have a reason to switch, in the hundereds of ARB's we have sold, I'm yet to have a major issue, and any issues I have had were immediately addressed by ARB at the wholesale level. Can't beat that
Looks like a great unit, as noted a very similar design to the ARB unit. Both units have been extremely proven over the years, I wouldn't hesitate to run either given equal opportunities and support here in the US. However that really isn't the case.
How I would make my decision. Well based on several factors, take note these are applicable to NA/SA customers, these variables will surely be different for Aussie based folks:
Price: I don't know of US pricing on the TJM unit, but I can gaurantee that it will be higher based on the Aussie prices and the weak network of TJM dealers in the US. ARB stocks THOUSANDS of air lockers at their US facility in Seattle, you can't beat their overhead in regards to the final price of the unit.
Availability: The ARB is available today, in fact I could have a hundered or more of them to you by the end of the week. While this isn't as a big of a deal of the end consumer (you only need one or two right), but it is a big deal for a vendor like myself. I need them when I need them... which is when my customers need them. TJM just doesn't have the dealer network and US wharehouse like ARB.
Spare Parts: Face it, anything and everything can break, and anything can get messed up during install or damage when another part breakes (such as a side gear when a rear LC axle breaks or a seal housing when a pinion breaks). Where are the spare parts for the TJM? With the ARB, not only do lots of vendors stock spares (I have just about every internal/external ARB spare in stock), ARB's US wharehouse has it all too, and they can have it in the mail the same day. Things like the fitting on the bulkhead that gets ripped off when you break a leaf spring or control arm, things a compressor switch that you broke installing. Minor items, with big results. Very important both to consumers and vendors alike.
Customer Service: In addition to the countless vendors who are more than willing to help out with ARB tech questions, ARB itself has an excellent Tech staff. I deal with manufacture tech departments all the time, ARB is hands-down one of the best out there. These guys know the product and know how to fix it, that goes ALONG ways in my book, both as a consumer and a vendor.
Take it for whats its worth, I started out as just an ARB user, and am not an ARB seller/installer... While my opinion is surely biased, its not without merit.
Is there a market for them here in the US, mabey... but not a big one. Unless the pricing is significantly lower which I doubt they can do with the volume of sales ARB already has "in th bag", they won't attract to many new customers. I wouldn't have a reason to switch, in the hundereds of ARB's we have sold, I'm yet to have a major issue, and any issues I have had were immediately addressed by ARB at the wholesale level. Can't beat that
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My opinion...
Looks like a great unit, as noted a very similar design to the ARB unit. Both units have been extremely proven over the years, I wouldn't hesitate to run either given equal opportunities and support here in the US. However that really isn't the case.
How I would make my decision. Well based on several factors, take note these are applicable to NA/SA customers, these variables will surely be different for Aussie based folks:
Price: I don't know of US pricing on the TJM unit, but I can gaurantee that it will be higher based on the Aussie prices and the weak network of TJM dealers in the US. ARB stocks THOUSANDS of air lockers at their US facility in Seattle, you can't beat their overhead in regards to the final price of the unit.
Availability: The ARB is available today, in fact I could have a hundered or more of them to you by the end of the week. While this isn't as a big of a deal of the end consumer (you only need one or two right), but it is a big deal for a vendor like myself. I need them when I need them... which is when my customers need them. TJM just doesn't have the dealer network and US wharehouse like ARB.
Spare Parts: Face it, anything and everything can break, and anything can get messed up during install or damage when another part breakes (such as a side gear when a rear LC axle breaks or a seal housing when a pinion breaks). Where are the spare parts for the TJM? With the ARB, not only do lots of vendors stock spares (I have just about every internal/external ARB spare in stock), ARB's US wharehouse has it all too, and they can have it in the mail the same day. Things like the fitting on the bulkhead that gets ripped off when you break a leaf spring or control arm, things a compressor switch that you broke installing. Minor items, with big results. Very important both to consumers and vendors alike.
Customer Service: In addition to the countless vendors who are more than willing to help out with ARB tech questions, ARB itself has an excellent Tech staff. I deal with manufacture tech departments all the time, ARB is hands-down one of the best out there. These guys know the product and know how to fix it, that goes ALONG ways in my book, both as a consumer and a vendor.
Take it for whats its worth, I started out as just an ARB user, and am not an ARB seller/installer... While my opinion is surely biased, its not without merit.
Is there a market for them here in the US, mabey... but not a big one. Unless the pricing is significantly lower which I doubt they can do with the volume of sales ARB already has "in th bag", they won't attract to many new customers. I wouldn't have a reason to switch, in the hundereds of ARB's we have sold, I'm yet to have a major issue, and any issues I have had were immediately addressed by ARB at the wholesale level. Can't beat that
well thanks.... i agree.
i hope tjm gets there air locker off the ground here in NA, from the consumers point of view, a little competition for arb is a good thing. imo
Just pulled the trigger for one of these from JT's. Turns out it was cheaper than the ARB (by about 100.00).
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
Let us know how that works for ya ..
Another note .. a deal breaker will be offer extended warranty for those lockers .. while ARB does not apply warranty for our applications .. ( oversized tires )
rusty_tlc
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Got a link to their page?
I was under the impression that TJM was out of the NA market.
I talked to jt's the tjm is 100$ cheaper than the arb
I was going to get a detroit, but they talked me into one of these. They are supposed to be getting their first shipment soon. Plus they gave me a really good deal on the other stuff I ordered. They were out of detroits anyways. Or so he said
rusty_tlc
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I hate the Detroit's in my FJ60, effing near kill yourself driving on ice.I was going to get a detroit, but they talked me into one of these. They are supposed to be getting their first shipment soon. Plus they gave me a really good deal on the other stuff I ordered. They were out of detroits anyways. Or so he said
Love the ARB's in my FJ40, I doubt you will regret getting a selectable locker.
TJM Pro Locker
The TJM Lockers are fantastic units. I really really like the fact that the acuator is a piston bolted to the bearing cap, so there are no seals inside the locker or o-rings that require removal of the diff IF it were to leak. Also there are no spinning parts that are also sealing Air.
I'm as big of an ARB supporter as they come. We've got over 300 ARB's on the shelf, Ive got ARB lockers in 3 of my own vehicles. That said more options for the customer is a good thing. Same reason we also carry Detroit lockers, Powertrax, Lock Right, Auburn, Eaton, Ox, etc etc etc. We've avoided some of the newer shotty knock off lockers, but we feel the TJM locker is a proven quality product. They'll never replace the need for the ARB product line, as the TJM range isn't as extensive. But if they make it for your application, you wont be disappointed. Kurt does make good points as to ARB's great customer service and product / parts support.
The TJM Lockers are fantastic units. I really really like the fact that the acuator is a piston bolted to the bearing cap, so there are no seals inside the locker or o-rings that require removal of the diff IF it were to leak. Also there are no spinning parts that are also sealing Air.
I'm as big of an ARB supporter as they come. We've got over 300 ARB's on the shelf, Ive got ARB lockers in 3 of my own vehicles. That said more options for the customer is a good thing. Same reason we also carry Detroit lockers, Powertrax, Lock Right, Auburn, Eaton, Ox, etc etc etc. We've avoided some of the newer shotty knock off lockers, but we feel the TJM locker is a proven quality product. They'll never replace the need for the ARB product line, as the TJM range isn't as extensive. But if they make it for your application, you wont be disappointed. Kurt does make good points as to ARB's great customer service and product / parts support.
Can't wait to try it out. Thanks Guys!
rusty_tlc
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Do you foresee any problems with parts and customer support? Every time I've called ARB USA their customer support has been stellar. As an example they sent me the special tool I need to remove the center block on my older ARB's free. They also have 99% of the parts you will ever need, in stock in the US.
I do agree that the o-ring set up is screwy, but my first ARB's lasted many years before they went out and it wasn't a show stopper, the lockers still worked. The internal o-rings are still original, probably 12 or 15 years old.
That said I like the looks of the TJM design much better, it seems much less prone to failure.
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
Hey Carl .. how that piston " locks " ...?
