Thoughts on this replacement turbo for HJ61

[Chopz]

So my turbo is now leaking oil to the point where its dripping on my driveway so want to get it sorted.

Can I get an opinion on what anyone may think of these turbos on ebay (link below). I obviously don't want to spend too much so was thinking of purchasing one and gettin my mechanic to fit it. Any thoughts?

CT26 Turbo Charger 17201-68010 - TOYOTA Landcruiser 4.0L, 12HT, HJ61 | eBay

Also found these bolt on intercooler kits for the 12h-t as well, I remember someone was asking a while back if there was a "ready to install" kit not sure if there any good but I have heard good reports from kits by the ASE guys.

TOYOTA LANDCRUISER 60 SERIES INTERCOOLER -ASETURBO INT-KT-60 | eBay

 

[roscoFJ73]

Have you looked at getting yours fixed. That one in the ad sounds ok though,they have gone to lengths to offer it as a "quality" replacement.
Ask them where its made.

 

[goldchaser]

Thats probably the same as the one i got from ebay,$330 delivered i paid from china,seller was autoone or sumfin. They are chinese,i wasnt cashed up when mine went so try it i thought.
As a short term thing i got no complaints,mines been on for 6 months running 15psi,wheeps a little oil.
Ill be rebuilding my original soon though and replacing the chinese one,its doing its job better then expected!

 

[Chopz]

This one is just over the $700 mark Goldchaser so I think it's different to the one you may have, not sure where its made I'll send them an email to find out.

I'm not after more performance or power, I just want the turbo re-built or renewed to stop the leaking and for peace of mind as I doubt it has been done in its lifetime.

I have thought of rebuilding my original turbo but have no idea who does such a thing and have heard the rebuilds are quite expensive so I thought a new one would be the way to go. Any idea what the cost is Goldchaser? I gather its quite a bit if you spent $350 on a new one until you had more funds to rebuild your orignal one.

 

[Tim-HJ61]

This one is just over the $700 mark Goldchaser so I think it's different to the one you may have, not sure where its made I'll send them an email to find out.

I'm not after more performance or power, I just want the turbo re-built or renewed to stop the leaking and for peace of mind as I doubt it has been done in its lifetime.

I have thought of rebuilding my original turbo but have no idea who does such a thing and have heard the rebuilds are quite expensive so I thought a new one would be the way to go. Any idea what the cost is Goldchaser? I gather its quite a bit if you spent $350 on a new one until you had more funds to rebuild your orignal one.

Turbos are not that hard to fit yourself. The oil pipes can be a bit fiddly and hard to put back. Mine leaked too after I had moved them, but a quick heat up with my MAPP gas and brazing resolved that. Have you cleaned off your turbo so you know where the leak is coming from? It might be a cracked oil line, not from the turbo itself. How many km has your engine done?

I'm interested that you've shown a link to a intercooler kit, but are saying you're not after more power. Perhaps you posted that simply to let others know. My thoughts on that kit are that I notice the 2" lines, and the rather small IC unit. I'd be wondering about pressure drop across the IC, esp with a standard turbo. Perhaps they have some comparison with, say the 2.5" lines and 600mm wide unit i managed to fit in. In their photo, that's a vehicle without an air conditioner too, so if you have an air cond, the fit up would not be as easy or neat.

Graeme can supply a flexible oil line kit with his GTurbo if you want to go that way. You don't 'need' to play with the fuel or air with one his turbos, naturally the gains are there if you choose to. But the greater driveability of boost coming in 300 rpm lower than what you have now is very nice. And they don't leak oil

Tim

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[Tim-HJ61]

I found this reference in a recent thread called something like "Advice on turbo blow by". That engine is a turboed 2h, not a 12ht, but it reinforces my thinking that further investigation is needed before you replace the turbo.

Turbo seals do not leak by themselves. Turbo seals passing oil are an indicator that your engine crankcase is pressurising and your rings are shot.

Many turbos worldwide are replaced each year with nothing wrong with them because of engine or oil drain issues. Don't let yours be one of them. Turbo seals are labyrinth type, in normal operation they leak air and exhaust inwards and vent it through the drain tube to the crankcase. If the crankcase pressure gets too high then a perfectly healthy spits oil.

Measure your crankcase pressure. Don't replace the turbo or it's seals. Turbo seals only ever need replaced when the turbo bearings wear out and that requires a rebuild.

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[goldchaser]

This one is just over the $700 mark Goldchaser so I think it's different to the one you may have, not sure where its made I'll send them an email to find out.

I'm not after more performance or power, I just want the turbo re-built or renewed to stop the leaking and for peace of mind as I doubt it has been done in its lifetime.

I have thought of rebuilding my original turbo but have no idea who does such a thing and have heard the rebuilds are quite expensive so I thought a new one would be the way to go. Any idea what the cost is Goldchaser? I gather its quite a bit if you spent $350 on a new one until you had more funds to rebuild your orignal one.

Mate i reckon they nearly all come from the one factory in china,my thinking was i can use it short term then when i get the orig rebuilt at least i end up with a spare exhaust housing sitting in the shed,its chinese i can tell you that,if your gonna buy chinese dont spend $700,looks like a ozzy seller thats why the higher markup?
Not sure on ct26 rebuild prices but prob not much more then $700,id start thinking rebuild the orig at that price.
My exhaust housing had cracks thats another reason i bought the chinese one.

 

[darthvincor]

"All of our turbos are tested in Australia, stock is held in Australia, and any warranty claims are handled in Australia. Australian seller."

But no mention of where it is made = indeed China.

I'd always opt to rebuild the OEM part.

Is it possible to go without a turbo on a 12HT? (for example if you want to save up for a good turbo, and still remain driveable) To just disable it, turn down the fuel, so that it becomes a 12H?

 

[Chopz]

Yeah the seller got back to me and there are made in China. I explained I wasn't after a china made product as failure of the turbo would result in major expensive repairs and hr replied with, "A while ago everything that came from Japan had a bad name and people would avoid it, not everything China make is poor quality".

I left it at that.
I mentioned the IC in the above post for anyone interested and I would consider getting an IC when I rebuild/renew my turbo however not so much for the performance side of things, mainly if the turbo decides to pack it in then it's there as a catchers mit.

 

[Tim-HJ61]

I think you guys worry too much.

Turbo's are incredibly reliable things. Looked after with good oil change frequency, good clean air and dealing with odd noises before they get worse, they are incredibly reliable. Given the number of 12HT's around, we never hear of exploding compressor wheels, OEM or replacements.

Check out the thread from the Gturbo users thread, https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tec...5371-gbentink-turbo-upgrade-users-thread.html
contact Graeme and see what he says about parts and reliability in his rebuilds. Or reread what Rosco says about the ones on eBay, or Goldchaser about his unit direct from China without any local checking done.

Have you found where the oil is coming from yet?

darthvincor:

I think that if you're stuck in the bush with horrible noise coming from the turbo, you can undo the big clamp that goes around the whole thing, and you can withdraw the entire centre, leaving the exhaust housing in place. After this, you can unscrew the damaged turbine and compressor wheels, leaving the shaft in place, reassemble and drive on. I'm just guessing all this, but can't think why this wouldn't be possible if the wheels are what are damaged from stones, water or otherwise bent and damaged.

You can't 'disable' it. All exhaust out goes through it and air goes in through it. Why are you thinking along those lines??? What scenario are you concerned about?

Tim

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[goldchaser]

Yeah the seller got back to me and there are made in China. I explained I wasn't after a china made product as failure of the turbo would result in major expensive repairs and hr replied with, "A while ago everything that came from Japan had a bad name and people would avoid it, not everything China make is poor quality".

I left it at that.
I mentioned the IC in the above post for anyone interested and I would consider getting an IC when I rebuild/renew my turbo however not so much for the performance side of things, mainly if the turbo decides to pack it in then it's there as a catchers mit.

Get over the china thing,half the items you own are probably made there,ya phone,tv,washer,dryer etc etc etc.
If you can afford to rebuild the original do it.
I just bolted in a alluminium radiator from china too,nice item and perfect fit. $380 to my door.
Priced a PWR allum one made in oz-$1000
You have your head burried in the sand if ya think all items from china are rubbish,times are changing.

 

[Chopz]

I never said all things made in China were rubbish, not once. I was just stating that I wouldn't pay $700+ for a Chinese turbo when there are others available like yours for the $300 mark.

I have spoke to Graham a while back about my turbo but am going too need to save a little longer to go that route, however the feedback I have heard from his items has been tremendous. I was just looking for another alternative for the time being. As Graham said, he wouldn't put a Chinese turbo on his truck and I'm with him on that matter.

 

[roscoFJ73]

Get over the china thing,half the items you own are probably made there,ya phone,tv,washer,dryer etc etc etc.
If you can afford to rebuild the original do it.
I just bolted in a alluminium radiator from china too,nice item and perfect fit. $380 to my door.
Priced a PWR allum one made in oz-$1000
You have your head burried in the sand if ya think all items from china are rubbish,times are changing.

The problem with chinese stuff,is picking the good from the bad. I have a compressor made there and it is fantastic.
But I was out riding a few weeks back and some young kid had just got a chinese quad and the frame had snapped within 3 hrs.
So lets just agree that caution is the operative word.

 

[TurboDiesel69]

Rebuild! Cheap and a diy job!

 

[gbentink]

I know my turbos cost more than a basic rebuild, but I'll say (and you have to take this any way you like) that if I were a potential consumer of a Gturbo (and I am for that matter, I use only my own stuff which is where this all came from) I would not even bother rebuilding the stock turbo as a stock or modified in the conventional sense to what is called a "highflow" or whatever. There are many things that should be changed other than comp wheel. What I do is customise the build to the engine and supporting mods, so you are getting something extra - a customised guarranteed to work solution to achieve what YOU want. In essence, the criteria doesnt have to be power, it can simply be better drivability, lower EGT's and the potential for fuel savings and a cleaner (inside) engine with the better combustion. If it is a budget excercise, buy a rebuild kit (quality one), send of the rotating parts for balancing and do it yourself. It is still a roulette excercise, but youll probably do a much better job (as in, you actually care) than the $0.50c/hr the unskilled worker is being paid. I VSR balance my turbos (very high speed balancing once unit is built) as a safety check, but it isnt a mandatory thing to do.

Very true that not everything made in China is bad. Goldchaser is spot on. But, the thing is that there is alot of rubbish that comes from China and unless you know what you want to buy and ask ALL the right questions, rubbish is more often than not what you get. Garrett and Holset both manufacture many of their turbos in China, turbos that are OEM units and the GT ball bearing series etc , but what you are getting off eBay (the knock offs) are not of the same ilk, they are cheap rubbish generally. You cannot even compare them - I've pulled quite a few apart. Problems Ive seen are metallurgy, assembly issues, machining tolerances, balancing and cleanliness. Some have all of those, other have a few. The old addage "you pay for what you get" is still true, but there may be a reward in their for the roulette if you are lucky. To me it is simply not worth it after seeing several die and several live, who knows.... All CT26's were made in Japan by the way. Many Chinese CT26 knock off's entered the market initially with "Toyota CT26" on the covers, however this is generally no longer the case (except for those getting away with it or old stock)

 

[goldchaser]

I never said all things made in China were rubbish, not once. I was just stating that I wouldn't pay $700+ for a Chinese turbo when there are others available like yours for the $300 mark.

I have spoke to Graham a while back about my turbo but am going too need to save a little longer to go that route, however the feedback I have heard from his items has been tremendous. I was just looking for another alternative for the time being. As Graham said, he wouldn't put a Chinese turbo on his truck and I'm with him on that matter.

Yeah chopz i didnt want to put a china one on mine but it was about to self destruct and at the time i had bills to pay,ill be putting a G turbo on soon but thank god for china i say,these trucks are getting harder and harder to get OEM parts for,if china wasnt making bits and pieces for them(even if it is inferior to OEM) in the future we might not even be able to keep them on the road. Now that would be a shame!

 

[Chopz]

Yeah chopz i didnt want to put a china one on mine but it was about to self destruct and at the time i had bills to pay,ill be putting a G turbo on soon but thank god for china i say,these trucks are getting harder and harder to get OEM parts for,if china wasnt making bits and pieces for them(even if it is inferior to OEM) in the future we might not even be able to keep them on the road. Now that would be a shame!

I agree with you on that front mate.

Can I ask how you knew your turbo was on its last legs?

 

[goldchaser]

I agree with you on that front mate.

Can I ask how you knew your turbo was on its last legs?

One morning it started making a terrible moan,it went away after half an hour. I just drove very carefuly.
Next day it returned but sounded different,the end was near,parked her up until the C-Turbo arrived.

 

[darthvincor]

My theory on Made in China stuff is that they simply make it according to the specs they are given by their ordering customers.
If the ordering customer says: as cheap as possible, period. Then that's what they will do.
If ordering customer wants top notch quality, then they can provide that too.

And I think it's true, that Made in Japan stuff used to be pretty bad too.