the quest for more power (sorry, I wrote a book) (1 Viewer)

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Well I have had enough of my slow, under powered 12H-T in my HJ61. Yup, it is slow, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Oh it's heaps faster then the 2H or the 3B powered units, but it's still under powered...... Don't think so??? Come drive my other diesel... ;)

I have been driving the truck for a month and I feel I know it pretty well. The auto is nice. I plan on making it better. Passing power is OK, but it's not quick. 0-60 times......I'll tell ya when they get respectable. Wheeling power needs improvement.

So, where to begin.....

Air. It needs better/cooler air flow. The first thing is removing that restrictive muffler and fart can. I am going to go up to 3" mandrel and straight pipe the old girl. I also have an amsoil air filter with a safari snorkel (well I ordered it) to help it breathe better. This alone should open up a few starving horses.

Inter-cooler, I think it is actually a pre-cooler but Oh well. I am having issues with this one. There is not a lot of room up front to add the size of rad that I would like, but I do not want to get rid of the a/c cooler. I may have to "gulp" be satisfied with an undersized
inter-cooler. Anything is better then nothing.

Instrumentation. Anything after the above requires the use of gauges. I am installing a set of Isspro gauges for the EGT and boost in the overhead console that once housed the outdoor temp and an altimeter. It is a tight fit but should work. The probe will go pre-turbo for the pyro. I will pull boost from where ever it is convenient.

More Boost. The next to go is the wastegate. Or at least I need to get some control over the amount of boost. That slick little gismo you see with parts made from home depot will be used. I have been reading 12 psi is a good place to start...

More fuel------> with the above done, I am sure EGTs will need to be increased to take full advantage of the power :)

Propane Injection baby! I couldn't do it to the 3B but with the DI of the 12H-T look out here it comes!! I have the Powershot 2000 that I originally bought for my Duramax. It is boost controlled and adjustable for different power gains. It is directly injected into the flow of air right after the air cleaner.

Fuel adjustment-------> At this point I would like more fuel to gain more power but I am hoping that all of the additions before the PI will satisfy my thirst for power. This allows me to use the propane to gain lower EGTs and hopefully better (because up to now it has been horrible) fuel economy. We'll see how long this lasts ;)

Getting it to the ground. The A440F will get a new valve body for stiffer shifts and better handling characteristics. I am going to go with the set up from Wholesale Automatics in the Land of Oz. I am also "smurfing" all of my birfields.


Those are my plans. If you have any suggestions or criticism, pls speak up before I do something stupid....

Brad "I need more power" Taylor
 
Other than dropping in a Cummins, I'd say that you have a good perspective as to what's needed.



TB :banana:
 
What about a 2.5" or 3" exhaust. Suppose to make a big difference, especially turbo diesels.

Were you going to mount the propane tank? How big of a tank are you going to go with? From what I've read, you want a tank that is at least 25% the size of your fuel tank if you going to have the propane injecting all the time. Does this rig see any offroad use? If so, I would be worried about using to big of a propane tank.
 
Yup, 3" exhaust is one of the first mods on the list. ;)

I was thinking about a 10 gallon propane tank underneath with a remote fill to the back bumper. Unfortunetly it will have to be a custom jobber to get the fit I want and they are not cheap. I think there is room for a 10 gallon air tank as well. They need to be long and skinny.

The truck is wheeled. It has a month old belton lift on 33s that is getting yanked in favour of a SOA this spring.

The nice thing about my propane system is that you can turn it off and it is controlled by boost. So you can conserve propane when it is not needed and it allows for a smaller tank.
 
It is a 50mm lift but,

unfortunately for you, it is going on my SOA extended cab 45 with a 3B on a bobbed 60 frame project.... :eek: :p that I am starting in the spring.
 
Why not just drop in a Chevy V8? Patches did exactly this on his HJ47 troopie.

Dave
(ducking for cover)
 
[quote author=beanz2 link=board=21;threadid=12558;start=msg115502#msg115502 date=1078467173]
Why not just drop in a Chevy V8? Patches did exactly this on his HJ47 troopie.

Dave
(ducking for cover)
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:slap: I wasn't going to respond but it was eating away at me and I couldn't handle it any longer :D

DIESEL RULES

that's all I got............. (if you want more details let me know)
 
[quote author=Big_Blue link=board=21;threadid=12558;start=msg115630#msg115630 date=1078502000]DIESEL RULES[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself :D

But I still can't believe you're so desperate for MORE power. You already got a 12H-T, I mean c'mon all I got is a little 1HZ. That's just being greedy, by happy with what you got. Diesels aren't meant to be fast, if you want a sports cars, buy a sports car....

........haha, really I'm just jealous. :flipoff2: I'm planning a turbo and IC as soon as i can afford it. :D good luck, let us know the best ones when you figure it out!
 
[quote author=VTCruiser link=board=21;threadid=12558;start=msg115759#msg115759 date=1078512734]
Diesels aren't meant to be fast, if you want a sports cars, buy a sports car...[/quote]

Hee hee

That's where you are soooo wrong :slap: I currently own a 14 sec 1/4 mile diesel, not bad for 4x4 crew cab, I can't wait to see what I can do with the cruiser :flipoff2:
 
:whoops: That Ford actually has a hopped up inline 6 Cummins in it :doh:

There is no way a powerstroke can go that fast :flipoff2:

I look at the cummins, which everybody calls a tractor engine, and I see the numbers it is putting up for power. The HP is attainable, the torque is out of this world!! It is the top dog when it comes to tuning diesels in NA. I understand the 12H-T can't compete with that but I think fundementally the toyota power plant is a better engine. You just can't squeeze out as much power from it and I wouldn't expect a 4.0 to keep up with a 5.9......

my "other" diesel is a chev crew cab with the duramax, I love it but after having my HJ61, it's got to go.......It's time to get back to being a Land Cruiser only household :D
 
a cummins in a FORD?? Sacrilage! I am ford bias when it comes to domestics, only cuz my dad has an F150. Cummins does make a nice motor though. Out of three of my close friends, one owns a 2001 Dodge 2500 cummins (full banks setup :eek:), another has a 2003 GMC Sierra Duramax (stock, brand new) and the third has a brand new tacoma (atta boy, haha) All are beautiful trucks, after all, it was the GMC that towed my cruiser across the border (effortlessly i might add).

The break down:
"I'd rather be cummin than strokin"
"Yeah, well I'd rather be stroked than rammed"
"Giant Menstrual Cramp"

really i'd take any nice truck ....as long as it's a toyota! :D

end hijack...

- FUJ
 
There is talk that Ford is dumping the PowerStroke (supposedly in favor of the Cummins).
The F-150 is slated to get a small diesel that isn't a Navistar-sourced unit.
I'd really like to see someone source an engine from Caterpillar. :)
There is also talk that Dodge is dumping the Cummins in favor of a Detroit-built Mercedes.
Daimler-Chrysler is apparently intent on all in-house drivetrain development, especially since they now own Detroit Diesel. (They also still count Mitsubishi as "in-house")
Unfortunately, I have no citations to back the above up, just things I've read since starting school last year. The only thing I can cite is the F-150, as it was in 4Wheeler, either this or last month.
. o O ( But now that this has been brought up, I think it's time to see if I can dig this info up. )
And GM needs to give up on an aluminum head diesel. (That's just my personal opinion.)
 
[quote author=hj60 link=board=21;threadid=12558;start=msg115912#msg115912 date=1078525542]
Daimler-Chrysler is apparently intent on all in-house drivetrain development, especially since they now own Detroit Diesel. (They also still count Mitsubishi as "in-house")
Unfortunately, I have no citations to back the above up, just things I've read since starting school last year. The only thing I can cite is the F-150, as it was in 4Wheeler, either this or last month.
. o O ( But now that this has been brought up, I think it's time to see if I can dig this info up. )
And GM needs to give up on an aluminum head diesel. (That's just my personal opinion.)
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That rumour of no more cummins in the Dodge has been going around for years. I think they signed a deal into 2012 but I couldn't find the article....

As for the aluminum heads, Isuzu has been building high output diesels for many years with aluminum heads with great success. Anything you have heard about bad heads is pure gossip. Unless you can give me a vin for a truck with cracked heads I call BS. There have been head gasket issue but nothing related to the material in the head. As a matter of fact, the head is the least of your problems with a Duramax. The fuel rail, lack of fuel pump, the need for better filtration to save injectors and the IFS that you get with the truck should be on top of your list. :p
 
Cummins will be with Dodge for YEARS! Which is good. Ford is trying to STEAL a deal with Caterpillar! The Struggle Stroke has not stolen customers from either Chebby or Dodge. If Ford signs Caterpillar they WILL steal customers from both Chebby and Dodge!

Ford is also figuring to have a smaller diesel engine in it's 150 and suv line by '05. They cancelled that contract with Navistar because Ford was so disapointed with the new 6.0 liter Struggle Stroke and the problems it's been having.

Can you imagine an F350-450-550 with a Caterpillar emblim on the side?!?!?!

That would rock!

TB :p :banana: :beer: :doh:
 
Ford has had to BUY back more than 500 trucks from disgruntled customers!

The new engine has injection pump problems. Along with other assorted problems.

The buy back program is the tip of the ice berg. The problem is so bad Ford is canceled the V6 diesel program and is looking for another diesel engine supplier.



TB :p
 
How did you find that beltons lift. I have just picked mine up and have yet to install it?
 

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