The 4WheelUnderground 3 link thread

[cruisermatt]

You're going to take it all apart again to paint right?

 

[Booger weldz]

Tough for some, sure, tough for most, maybe. I got absolutely no prob cutting off factory stuff. I don't even want to drive an 80 with the stock motor and won't. I think I have said plain as day what my issues are with it (3-link) so no need to say more.

I think you might still touch on the c/o's. That axle is going to swing a bit side to side in the rough, unlike you can simulate in the garage with a jack.

and here is a pic for Booger since he seems to think we are all (except for 3 people) soccer moms.

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Cheers

If I may, without you getting insulted and going butthurt on me again... nobodies trying to build a rock buggy out of an 80 here. The patrol is rad. This is 100% a fix for the fuct geometry once lifted past ~4.5" and just so happens have more 'flex' and off pavement performance'.

Posting pics of your 3 linked patrol all flexed up is fine, but post a similar pic to this as well.

Your patrol CANNOT do both of these things. That is what's different about what's happening in this entire thread and the audience who denounces sales potential is probably right, but I'll be goddammnnn if it ain't cool to drive a big fat station wagon that'll traverse 36" boulders and do 90 mph with ice cold AC in s***ty cracked leather seats all day anyday with 1/4 million miles on the odometer!

 

[RockJock82]

Come on now that 90mph pic was taken going down hill on an interstate lol 8D.... Just playing...

 

[retrofive]

We need to get real here.

 

[kdxman]

I really hate to say it because this kit is really badass and at a great price point. It's awesome to see someone step up and make it happen but I doubt you see another person buy, no matter how many said they would. :-/

Well sir you would be incorrect, as I have a tentative purchase date around the first part of July. I recently started welding school (Thank you GI Bill) and hope to have the install done by fall as I still need a front e locker and hell fire knuckles. The 80 is my daily drive and personally I cant wait to get this kit installed.

 

[scottryana]

Sweet make it happen!

Well sir you would be incorrect, as I have a tentative purchase date around the first part of July. I recently started welding school (Thank you GI Bill) and hope to have the install done by fall as I still need a front e locker and hell fire knuckles. The 80 is my daily drive and personally I cant wait to get this kit installed.

 

[Finnyfam60]

booger - your steering wheel sucks arse. youre doing about 115 there if uncorrected on 35's, and let me know if you ever need to sell your station wagon.

 

[SNLC]

If I may, without you getting insulted and going butthurt on me again...

Your patrol CANNOT do both of these things. That is what's different about what's happening in this entire thread and the audience who denounces sales potential is probably right, but I'll be goddammnnn if it ain't cool to drive a big fat station wagon that'll traverse 36" boulders and do 90 mph with ice cold AC in ****ty cracked leather seats all day anyday with 1/4 million miles on the odometer!

Never was butthurt or insulted. I just happen to think your broad statements and anal knowitall snide attitude is lame so I call you out on it. That is all. We probably have a lot in common you and I, I just choose to not be a dick on the forums.

You are right my Patrol can not do that. My point in the pic was not to prove it could, rather to prove we are not all soccer moms like you keep telling us we are. There is lot's and lot's of builders and fab guys on this forum man, perhaps more in some sections than others but you can be sure the 80 section has more of it than the 100 section! Mad fab skills on this forum man, just look around more to find it. The skills some people have on this forum and show in their builds or resurrections of old Cruisers is plentiful. Just about everything under the sun when it comes to Cruisers is here, not so sure why you are so unhappy with Mud but if you are why still keep coming here? I think you are just not looking around and rather focusing on the 80 section and how it is not how you want it to be. 80's are not minitrucks dude and we are not all in our 20's so if that is what you like I think you have come to the wrong place. I am betting the majority of 80 owners on Mud are in their 30's & 40's, married with kids. They use their trucks simply to get out in the woods with the family. That probably has more to do with why the 4WU kit may not sell then us all being into Starbucks and plastic cup holders. Had you never said a lot of the comments you have said, Jose's thread would very likely not have been derailed.

Now as far as your truck doing 110mph and flexing over 36" boulders. Awesome man! A lot of people probably desire that in their 80. How about that video of it braking, making emergency maneuvers and so forth. That would probably do a lot more to convince people than swearing and a couple pics.

Cheers

 

[OGBeno]

I'm sure he's a bit disappointed currently, but comments from a parts slinger and a turbo fanatic on suspensions mods shouldn't necessarily discourage him either...

My comment was actually a comment of support for what Jose is doing because he is doing things others won't try and I like that.

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

 

[yotakrawler]

Seems like a 60 series axle would make a lot of sense in this type of suspension upgrade. Correct me if I am wrong, but..

Pro
More steering options
More birf/axle options
Bigger Diff
More brake options (1st gen tundra with IFS hubs and this kit http://frontrangeoffroadfab.com/tacoma-brake-mounting-kit/)

Con
Smaller birf
No ABS (maybe pro)

 

[Douglas S]

FWIW I would be very interested in this kit if it worked for a RHD truck.

I wouldn't run tires larger than 35" and I don't "wheel" my truck in the traditional sense. I think there are a lot of advantages even for a more mild build.

 

[jcardona1]

I think you might still touch on the c/o's. That axle is going to swing a bit side to side in the rough, unlike you can simulate in the garage with a jack.

One hell of a rig, looks great! About the coilovers, they're not going anywhere now. There's really nowhere else to put them unless I cut out the air bumps. And then, where do the air bumps go? I've seen various coilover installs on an 80 and they all seem to land in the place where I have them now.

Mine

Booger's

js93cruiser's

Jodo's

ardentyota's

utopoo's

 

[jcardona1]

With 80s becoming less sacrosanct, more will follow.

That's a big part of it IMO. I think many are still feeling the "Land Cruiser prestige" even though that nonsense was amortized decades ago. These days the 80 is just a cheap truck with a few factory goodies that makes it a great platform for a budget wheeler. May not be in the same rust bucket category as an old mini truck but we sure aren't living in '96 anymore.

@jcardona1 What is really selling this Kit is everything you have been doing to document your install. That's a huge hurdle for the vast majority to get around. Unless people followed your build from the beginning they wouldn't know that you learned to weld on this build. So it's attainable. Seeing that everything 4WU delivered was spot on without needing modifications, also greatly helps. The fact that you are posting every step of the way and talking us all thru it while getting feedback is how people who are on the fence, finally make the decision. I'm dying to see how this ultimately does for you and how it's road manners are.

Thanks man, and that was always the plan! If this thread helps one guy with his build then I'll be satisfied. I know it sure would have helped me as a first-timer. I only have a handful of pics I obtained after raiding the original guy's Photobucket account.

 

[jcardona1]

You're going to take it all apart again to paint right?

Yup. Got a few colors ideas to make it really pop. If you've seen my build you'll know it won't be black

Seems like a 60 series axle would make a lot of sense in this type of suspension upgrade. Correct me if I am wrong, but..

Pro
More steering options
More birf/axle options
Bigger Diff
More brake options (1st gen tundra with IFS hubs and this kit http://frontrangeoffroadfab.com/tacoma-brake-mounting-kit/)

Con
Smaller birf
No ABS (maybe pro)

Don't see why it wouldn't work but if I'm ever going to swap axles it's going to be a hybrid 9.5" with 80 series outers. But the thought of having to redo all these brackets gives me anxiety and shivers.

 

[4WheelUnderground]

Seems like a 60 series axle would make a lot of sense in this type of suspension upgrade. Correct me if I am wrong, but..

Pro
More steering options
More birf/axle options
Bigger Diff
More brake options (1st gen tundra with IFS hubs and this kit http://frontrangeoffroadfab.com/tacoma-brake-mounting-kit/)

Con
Smaller birf
No ABS (maybe pro)

Why would you do that. The 60 axle is narrower the birfs are smaller you have fewer steering options and taco brakes are smaller than 80 brakes and the housing isn't as strong.

 

[bobbynelson0730]

I just want the rear kit already

 

[SNLC]

One hell of a rig, looks great! About the coilovers, they're not going anywhere now. There's really nowhere else to put them unless I cut out the air bumps. And then, where do the air bumps go? I've seen various coilover installs on an 80 and they all seem to land in the place where I have them now.

Thanks, my buddy Krazytoy built it. He posted in this thread a page or two ago. I am no master fabber but if I have a mentor it is him.

I hear ya, totally limited in what you can do. I would just expect the occasional tire rub on the c/o. It will swing a bit side to side offroad. You probably have enough clearance where it will not be a big deal at all. Just a light kiss from the tire on the c/o. If it was an issue, easy cure would be less b/s or a wheel spacer. Actually had the same problem on the Patrol. Not in the front but in the rear. A full bodied rig ya know, it is just difficult. Which is why I don't care if it is full bodied anymore. It gets smashed in the rocks so it does not matter if I take the sawzall to it.

Keep it up man, you are nearly there! When I first saw your last post with pics, they were loading, and I thought, damn he just drove it and got it muddy! Then the pics all loaded. Heh, I am sure a lot of people are looking forward to your first run in it.

Cheers

 

[yotakrawler]

Yup. Got a few colors ideas to make it really pop. If you've seen my build you'll know it won't be black



Don't see why it wouldn't work but if I'm ever going to swap axles it's going to be a hybrid 9.5" with 80 series outers. But the thought of having to redo all these brackets gives me anxiety and shivers.

Sorry not trying to create anxiety. Just trying to think this out for myself as I am considering 4WU's product.

Why would you do that. The 60 axle is narrower the birfs are smaller you have fewer steering options and taco brakes are smaller than 80 brakes and the housing isn't as strong.

Here is my reasoning and it is mostly steering driven as hellfire seem like a long lead time/ expensive option. Also, I do not plan on running tires bigger than 35in and 60 series axles seem cheap. But, I would love to improve on and off road handling.

The 60 is narrower
60/62 Series - 58.5"/60"
80 Series - 63.5"

But, I think that you could get to 62 ish" with the IFS hubs.

The birfs are smaller but 80's have limited stronger aftermarket solutions like longfield. Maybe someone with some more experience could chime in but, I would guess that mini truck longfield birfs are stronger than stock 80 birfs.

I was under the impression that mini truck high steer arms would work on 60 knuckles. But at the least there is this option. https://www.marlincrawler.com/steering/high-steer/high-steer-kit-fj60

The brakes have me a little puzzled, because 80 rims do not fit on my 03 4x4 v8 tundra and there are 318.8mm rotors available for the tundra. But, it seems that people are using the 231mm tundra rotors.

80s series rotors 311.5mm

example of steering, IFS hubs and tundra brakes, see post #540
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/some-pics-from-tonight.177156/page-27#post-6927254

As for the housing strength, nothing a little welding can't fix...

Don't want to side track this thread to bad. OP if you want I can move this discussion.

 

[scottryana]

You are going backwards.

If you want a bigger front diff. You can just get a diamond/ruffstuff/etc housing built for 9.5" diff and 80's birfields. You keep the same width the larger brakes, etc.