There was a post recently about unexpected lift from an OME upgrade due to sagging OEM springs. C-Dan made the very good point that the best way to figure it out is to measure bottom of flare to centre of hub. As someone still thinking about what lift to get, this sounds somewhat scientific to me (assuming the bottom of the fender flare height relative to the frame is the same on all years??). Since we have so many people here with different lift combos of different ages, if people post those measurements we should be able to get a good idea of what to expect from different lifts (and we may even be able to figure out how well OME lifts are holding up over time and how bad your stock springs are sagging)). I hereby volunteer to make up an organized spreadsheet for Woody to post in the tech section that will help people figure out what a given lift will do, so if people will post the following data for stock and lifted trucks, I will do the legwork: 1. year of truck 2. make and model of springs and shocks (and age/mileage since install) 3. front and rear hub to bottom of flare measurements 4. estimated extra weight front and rear 5. amount of gas in tank If possible it would be best if everyone does this with half tank of gas but I guess we can adjust for that. I didn’t bring a tape measure to work so I’ll post my own particulars tomorrow.