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starter weirdness

Discussion in '60-Series Wagons' started by beaufort-fj60, Jul 1, 2005.

  1. beaufort-fj60

    beaufort-fj60

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    the starter in my 60 started doing something odd yesterday and also today.
    when i turn the key i sounds like it's pulling current but nothing happens. Turn the key a second time and it starts like there is not problem.

    time for new starter?
    clean the wires?
    put in new wires?
    the battery is a newer red top, and the voltometer reads 12v when i turn the key.
     
  2. Mace

    Mace rock scientist.. Staff Member s-Moderator

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    Either the brushes in the starter are gettin old or your wires are.

    I would replace the wires first (super easy and cannot hurt)
     
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    tornadoalleycruiser SILVER Star

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    Check your positive connection and negative connection
    Also might wanna go ahead and order new contacts for your soleniod now.. Not hard to put in yerself
     
  4. beaufort-fj60

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    thanks mace,

    gives me a place to start, i'll change the wires and see what happens
     
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    i have been beating the hell out of this thing latley, i bet most of the wire have been working themselves loose.
     
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    Mace rock scientist.. Staff Member s-Moderator

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    That's what I like to hear ;)
     
  7. Fearnofish!

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    I revived my starter for about 4 months with periodic sraying of WD40 right into the front of it. I suppose it cleaned off the brushes or something. Oh sure, your thinking there's a chance of fire. But isn't there always? I got a gear reduction starter from Robert at liquid off-road for cheap. It took a week and half to get here but I saved a bundle.
     
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    starter solenoid.....not engaging when you turn the key and supply power to the starter motor

    my 2ยข,
    -dogboy- '87 FJ60
     
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    Just curious where did you get the starter and how old is it?
     
  10. beaufort-fj60

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    Well, my experiment of using mental telepathy to will the starter to fix itself has failed. It has reached to point of turning the key 5 to 10 times with intermittent almost half starts.

    Stopped by Advance Auto Parts, they had two starter options:

    1. a Worldwide brand starter and solenoid $118.88
    2. a GP Sorensen brand solenoid $108.88

    Is the starter body really only worth $10?, I figured the solenoid would be $10 and the starter $108.88.
     
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    has anyone tried the Worldwide brand starter?
     
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    I went with the gear reduction denso. It' much better that the original and (i was told), draws less power. It will outlive my truck for sure. Maybe 145$ from Robert at liquid off road. Did you try that WD40 thing at all?
     
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    to be honest, did not try sheot yet. I'll check out the gear reduction denso, just looking at the options before I lift a wrench.
     
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    Save yer self some bucks . . .

    remove starter (and solenoid that's attached)

    open up solenoid housing - carefully.

    clean 'innards' as best as possible : deluge wash w/ WD...

    Clean, or replace, contacts

    just 'slick' solenoid slug & bendix area with some lube (30 wt)

    re-assemble / reinstall, be happy . . .

    Mine did same thing few yr ago. 'crud' in solenoid wouldn't let 'slug' move. too many dunkings in swamp water...

    Oh, my rig is over 409,000 mile - factory orig starter . . .
     
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  15. beaufort-fj60

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    sweet, thanks soggy

    yeah it just started doing this crap in the last week or so, I have been working on a muddy swampy job and I am sure the starter has been dunked and soaked for a few weeks solid.
     
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    Cleaning the sol is a quick fix but I would be afraid of getting stuck in BFE. While i was tring to extend the life of mine I carried around all the stuff I would need to mess with it. Cresent wrench for hitting it, WD40 for cleaning and lubrication, beer, and socket set.
     
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    ohhh s***,

    took the starter off and completly apart. funny thing is i have the fsm and the oem starter on the my cruiser is completly different. I think i found the problem, what looks to be the solinoid has a compartment on the back with a plunger on a rod with double springs. the washer that moves on this rod/spring thing wore out a brass thing that one of the main wires hooks to. i need to take a picture, that description was pretty crappy.
     
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    Spook50 Get ready

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    I agree.1AWG welding cable with soldered on lugs! It's the shiznit!
     
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    pic of starter

    it's obviously a gear reduction version
    green arrow points to bad "copper thing" that is toast. can you get new "copper thing"?
     
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    bump.... does anyone know if you can get new brass contacts (see pic above on right)