AltFuel "Run's on SVO (vegetable oil)"?

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not counting research, cause looking new stuff up is enjoyable. but to install the system they say 12hrs. but that in mind, nothing is what they say.

parts in a kit are about 1000 cad. make your own kit(count the hour labour adding up) you could do it much cheaper. But I don't have the knowledge or source for these parts.

waste veggie oil is generally free. resturants I am told have to pay to dispose of it.
now I have not tried gettiing a source for oil yet. so that being, if it was hard to get and I had to buy the oil, I would expect to pay around 40-50 cents a litre for decent new vegetable oil. in large quantity.

if you drive a lot, it doesn't take too long to pay off the system. I put in about 200 a month in fuel. now svo still uses some fuel. so expect some expenses after. you have to warm up and purge on regular diesel. or bio if you choose.

bio is not free, it costs for equipment and chemicals to produce. not sure what the end per litre equatuion is. and when the break even point hits after intial investment.

with wvo it happens much sooner. diners and resturants all over the country are replacing their oil all the time.

with wvo there is the cost of filters too. I have heard if pre filtered before putting into the tank, then every 3 oil changes or so you do the truck filters.

I think I am going to try and see if I can get some waste oil.
 
crushers said:
well, i guess i best be looking into it sometime...
BTW, my understanding is that the vehicle is in Alberta it is being offered forsale in Ontario...
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Ya..me too....one day.

My bad...I did see that earlier and forgot, in my rush to get out the door.

Brownbear...keep us posted please.

gb
 
yes, please do keep us posted...
i realise learning something new and doing the reasureach is fun so no problem there.
what i am thinking about is time is money so reasearch aside you still have locate a reliable spot to aquire the fat, trucking it home, mess in the truck, rendering the fat in to the machine, boiling away or what ever it does, caning it or storing it, filling the truck, cleaning up any mess etc.
if the whole rutine ended up taking you 2 hours per tank and your time is worth $20/hr then that is a $40 per tank.
plus to take into account the smell that will enter into your clothes and the house (eventually) i am wondering if it really is worth it. now at first oc course it will be fun but eventually the "newness" will wear off and you have a weekly rutine that gets old...
this is what i mean...
not to say it isn't good for both the enviroment and "maybe" your truck i can still see it turning into a PITA sooner or later...
now someone will say, hey why don;t you buy your bio from me. i have to make it anyway and i will charge you $.**C a liter so you don't get smelly etc. then the goverment steps in, (after all it is a business) and the price goes up to cover the goverment taxes...
okay, so i am being a bummer here but i hope you can see where i am coming from....
ramble, ramble
cheers
 
crusher said:
aamiggia, (how did you come up with that name?)
i know you have contributed, i was just clarifying for those that might be new comers to the board...
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I've never done a formal into on the 80's site or hear. Mainly because I've been meaned to look into changing my handle, not because I'm trying to run from anyone. The name doesn't mean anything. It's my old user ID from university and I login into all boards with it so I don't forget it. Is it possible to change names without starting all over, I like my Avatar? My new name woud be A_Lex_Ass! A better fit if I do say so myself.

crusher said:
BTW, it looks like i will be down there come august, might be a good idea to get together for a pop or something...
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That is a good idea I would love to meet up I have a lot of questions for someone of your experience in Cruiser's. You'll probably be flying, but it will be cool to see one of your 70's. Seems like BC then AB is the strong hold for CDN Cruiser's. There are only a handle full of us from Ontario: T Y L E R, Selimon, CDN_Cruiser, and I think Ocelot.
 
aamiggia said:
That is a good idea I would love to meet up I have a lot of questions for someone of your experience in Cruiser's. You'll probably be flying, but it will be cool to see one of your 70's. Seems like BC then AB is the strong hold for CDN Cruiser's. There are only a handle full of us from Ontario: T Y L E R, Selimon, CDN_Cruiser, and I think Ocelot.
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Hijack!

Hey aamiggia, have you ever hooked up with Mike from Gozzard. I've not met him, however he seems a Cruiserhead. I know Wayne has seen his product.

Ex-Ontarioite here...

gb
 
Greg_B said:
Hey aamiggia, have you ever hooked up with Mike from Gozzard. I've not met him, however he seems a Cruiserhead. I know Wayne has seen his product.
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I'm not sure who that is, what is his product? Does he run a old school (40's and 60's) cruiser club in the Guelph area? I tried to hook up with the Upper Canada Cruiser's last year, but I couldn't make it out to the events.

Alex
 
I've heard of fiberglass tubs before, but I wasn't sure if they were custom made. That helps tweak my interets in FJ40's because rusted units are a dime a dozen in the www.supershopper.com or www.buysellzone.com

Hmmm... I could get the rebuild parts from 4whellauto.com and a 13B-T from Greg. Interesting. I really like the FJ40 on 35's.
 
crushers said:
yes, please do keep us posted...
i realise learning something new and doing the reasureach is fun so no problem there.
what i am thinking about is time is money so reasearch aside you still have locate a reliable spot to aquire the fat, trucking it home, mess in the truck, rendering the fat in to the machine, boiling away or what ever it does, caning it or storing it, filling the truck, cleaning up any mess etc.
if the whole rutine ended up taking you 2 hours per tank and your time is worth $20/hr then that is a $40 per tank.
plus to take into account the smell that will enter into your clothes and the house (eventually) i am wondering if it really is worth it. now at first oc course it will be fun but eventually the "newness" will wear off and you have a weekly rutine that gets old...

ramble, ramble
cheers
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I get your idea, basically as I have read. there isn't any rendering or boiling. I would be sourcing just vegetable oil. it is liquid at room temp. I would have two 45 gal drums in my garage. when I pick up the oil from the resturant, I use a course filter in a funnel to clean the oil for my drum. then when I go to use it in the vehicle my pump(hand wobble) will have two more filters on it. one course and one finer. Not sure on the micron size yet.
that should be all needed to put into the truck tank. the only other consideration is water and acid levels. to get around the water, I plan on having my drums slightly tilted with a drain cock in the bottom of the drum. then once all is settled you can drain it out. also any gunk.
as for acid, I presume you have check the ph and verify it is with in a specified value.
one site says the oil needs very little filtration as there firewall mounted filter should handle it all.

i would like to set it up that when I need fuel I back up to the drums and pump in a tank.
but as well you have to pick up the oil and dump it into your tanks. clean the filters once every couple months.

ya you would have to plan accordingly not to be messy and awful. also you need a system for filtering on the road. greascar shows some products for that.

if you went to new oil on the road, that would still be much cheaper. if you buy it in bulk from like costco, I bet it is down around 30-40 cents a litre.

I guess for me I just like the idea of not being fully dependent on the pump prices and being able to take long trips for next to nothing in fuel costs.

but I have lots more reading to do on the subject.
 
brownbear said:
if you went to new oil on the road, that would still be much cheaper. if you buy it in bulk from like costco, I bet it is down around 30-40 cents a litre.
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I swear I just saw 97 cents per liter for diesel yesterday in Mission, BC. Ouch!

gb
 
I think these SVO kits would be perfect in the NorthWest. There is no way you could run SVO in Ontario for 6 months of the year. It would actually be solid for this time.

I've heard that BioDiesel is thicker than petro-diesel and can get bad in the cold. So if I could only use it at limited times of the year the break even point is much longer. Another reason to envy you boys in BC. I'll have to continue putting money in Bush's pocket and funding Saudi Terrorists.
 
aamiggia said:
I think these SVO kits would be perfect in the NorthWest. There is no way you could run SVO in Ontario for 6 months of the year. It would actually be solid for this time.
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they say they can handle -20. and it just takes longer to heat, but it does have lots of heaters. I don't think it would have problem with the cold. And you have to pick your oil. they say canola is the best. And you can slightly cut it with diesel to thin it out for quicker warmups. the diesel and veg are compatable.

I plan on running mine in the cold it I go that route.
 
I can give a little insight on used oil. First off, it is never clean of food particles, and even our cleanest oil supplier has tonnes of food particles in it, so filtering is a must. Running strait veggy oil, would be quite messy, cause our dads pickup that we transport the used oil in is just coated in oil, I would not want that mess on my cruiser. About running bio or veggy oil in cold temps, we found that the veggy oil gets quite thick around the same temp (-12) as the biodiesel gells up(thus we mix 50/50 in the winter). I can see the benefit of not doing any reaction and just dumping in strait veg oil, the biggest issue is that you will have oil all over your car and shop as opposed to just a messy shop when making biodiesel. Oh ya biodiesel costs us around 25cents a litre to make, and it takes about one hour to make a 100L batch. After running it for two years now, we have had no problems with hoses on our trucks, but some of the cheap pumping hoses we have are eaten through by the bio (it also eats paint). As for the lubricating effects, I noticed that my engine got a bit quieter after I started using bio. And Wayne, yes it is getting to be a bit of a chore, but with the amount of driving I do, and the amount of money that I don't make by being a student, it helps to save a couple grand a year.
Just my two cents,
Deny
 
Deny, for biodiesel production, what is the cost of Methanol?

Once the equipment is paid, what is the most expensive material?
 
i've been running a 86 vw td jetta for about 3 years now on WVO with no problems other than an occasional fuel filter cleaning. I wouldn't hesitate to put it through the cruiser, no plans to since it isn't my commuter. I don't think it's a good option for many short trips especially in cold weather country.

my most expensive component in making bd is methanol. 120 USD$/55 gal drum. Next is the catalyst, koh - $1/lb or so....

my .01
mike
 
hey Mike, good to hear from you.
how much time do you invest in the making of the bio?
cheers
 
crushers said:
hey Mike, good to hear from you.
how much time do you invest in the making of the bio?
cheers
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I use B20 here in Seattle. Ive used B100 many times. I had some B100 stored in a five gallon can for not to long (2 months) and it turned into a labratory project. There were more growing creatures in that stuff than you could imagine. And it started out in a NEW can.

If you ever want to PASS vehicle emissions here in the US, fill up with B100 and drive around for a couple hours, then go take your test. You'll pass everytime. DO YOU HERE THIS THOSE OF YOU IN THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF KALIFORNIA?


TB
 
As Brownbear stated, there is no rendering if good oil is obtained. If a good filtering and dispensing system is prepared then each tank of oil should take minutes- not hours to prepare. Of course it will not be as easy as pulling up to the pump, but at 99.9cents/l that hasn't been very easy lately either. As for your engine, veggie oil has much higher lubricity than diesel and so lubricates the injector pump much better- no more additives. It also provides a soft, oily cushion for the injector action and leaves less deposits than diesel.

Mac
 
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