Rivian vs LX570

[TeCKis300]

Note to all those shilling for these EV models-please take a look at Florida and all the useless chargers and cars spontaneously combusting from corrosion.
Then take a look at the Ford Lightning that can barely tow the trailer without needing a recharge.
These vehicles are a non-starter.
If electric were ever an option, the military industrial complex would have been all over this option decades ago with their unlimited budgets. Electric powertrains are not new tech contrary to popular belief.
Musk is the largest civilian contractor to the military. If the tech were viable, the DoD would already be using it.
It has way too many limitations and not enough of an upside to be viable for any real ICE replacement.

If you hate the LC200 so much then please sell yours so those like myself can buy another to add to our current.

Please stop the propaganda.

I love my ICE cars. 200-series and period correct 6-speed manual analog car. But I have to laugh at this. EVs are here to stay. They rock and make ICE cars work like dinosaurs. Every type of vehicle has areas where they shine and where they are compromised.

Don't get caught up in anecdotes and extreme use cases - that doesn't define whether EVs are viable. For the other 90%, and how most people use their cars, EVs wipe the floor against ICE. I wish that was an understatement.

 

[Omega3651]

Firstly, EVS are worse for the environment than ICE cars. Simply google how rare earth minerals are mined and the process of refinement and disposal.
Secondly, 'fossil fuels' are abiotic and not made of dinosaur bones. Also google Haber-Bosch Process-we NEED carbon to live.
Thirdly, there are simply not enough rare earth minerals currently to even have 25% of the vehicles on the planet battery powered, nor do we posses the infrastructure..
Lastly, please travel outside your nearest city to actually see the world and you will understand why EV are not a viable replacement for ICE vehicles.

EVs are toys for first world well to do's and the batteries will function the same way all batteries function meaning they will degrade over time and lose efficiency.
There are ICE vehicles that are over 30 years old that get the same gas mileage as when they were new.
Let's see you accomplish that with a battery.
Again, battery powered vehicles are NOT new tech. If the tech were viable it would have been incorporated decades ago.

You're a victim of propaganda.

 

[TeCKis300]

Firstly, EVS are worse for the environment than ICE cars. Simply google how rare earth minerals are mined and the process of refinement and disposal.
Secondly, 'fossil fuels' are abiotic and not made of dinosaur bones. Also google Haber-Bosch Process-we NEED carbon to live.
Thirdly, there are simply not enough rare earth minerals currently to even have 25% of the vehicles on the planet battery powered, nor do we posses the infrastructure..
Lastly, please travel outside your nearest city to actually see the world and you will understand why EV are not a viable replacement for ICE vehicles.

EVs are toys for first world well to do's and the batteries will function the same way all batteries function meaning they will degrade over time and lose efficiency.
There are ICE vehicles that are over 30 years old that get the same gas mileage as when they were new.
Let's see you accomplish that with a battery.
Again, battery powered vehicles are NOT new tech. If the tech were viable it would have been incorporated decades ago.

You're a victim of propaganda.

See the world they say.

The stock cruiser sucked at managing this 8k load too. Range cut by half with 180 miles on a tank. Fortunately for ICE, there's aux tanks and infrastructure.

I'm a victim of experience. EVs won't do this job, yet. But they rule.

 

[Omega3651]

See the world they say.

The stock cruiser sucked at managing this 8k load too. 180 miles on a tank. Fortunately for ICE, there's aux tanks and infrastructure.

I'm a victim of experience. EVs won't do this job, yet. But they rule.

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Driving an airstream around the US is not seeing the world.
Also that 180 miles was more than you would get from the Ford Lightning towing the same weight and while you could use the Rotopax on you roof to refuel in under 5 minutes-you'd be stuck out there in your EV waiting for AAA to show up in their gas powered ICE vehicle and gas powered generator to rescue you.
Simple fact-you cannot pull that Airstream and get to where you took that photo in anyway near the same timeline or with the same ease with any current EV or any EV produced in the next 5-10 years.

Watch the latest Hummer EV debacle on YT.

Having been to several interesting places all over the world with and without the Army, I can tell you that there is a reason ICE cars will not be replaced by EVs in your lifetime.
The tech is out there that can replace gas powered ICE but its not Lithium battery powered tech in its current iteration. The actual tech that could replace gasoline would afford greater freedom of movement and freedom of movement is not the future being planned for you. Smart cities are.
Study history-there were even water powered/steam powered vehicles decades ago. What could be better for the environment than water powered vehicles producing water vapor as exhaust?

 

[MTKID]

I want a hybrid 200. Just saying. I want my 5.7 (or similar) with a smart integrated electric motor behind it to improve fuel mileage, range and power on moderately shorter trips. Then, if there is a circumstance that I don’t have enough electric capacity until the end of a trip, then I still have the old ICE power and range.

The problem I see is the marketing behind EV’s is the “New Hotness”, and from a manufacturing standpoint, everyone wants to have a product that is perceived that way. The new best thing.

And as much as I see the inherent limitations of an EV, I look forward to owning one. Not as a replacement at this time but as an enjoyable additional vehicle.

 

[Madtiger]

See the world they say.

The stock cruiser sucked at managing this 8k load too. Range cut by half with 180 miles on a tank. Fortunately for ICE, there's aux tanks and infrastructure.

I'm a victim of experience. EVs won't do this job, yet. But they rule.

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Well, that is because you definitely bought the wrong vehicle for the job at hand…….and pulling weight that is beyond the limits engineered for your vehicle as determined by Toyota engineers.

Don’t blame the vehicle’s ”weakness” because of your own ignorance.

EDIT: oh while at it, TeCKis300 also jacked his LX up to the sky just to put on 35” tires (mismatch size with his spare nontheless!!) and tow his huge Airstream…….and then b!tch about managing weight and range and fuel economy! Insanity…yet, some here take his word lIke gospel!

 

[vipergrhd]

 

[tacoduck]

Well, that is because you definitely bought the wrong vehicle for the job at hand…….and pulling weight that is beyond the limits engineered for your vehicle as determined by Toyota engineers.

Don’t blame the vehicle’s ”weakness” because of your own ignorance.

EDIT: oh while at it, TeCKis300 also jacked his LX up to the sky just to put on 35” tires (mismatch size with his spare nontheless!!) and tow his huge Airstream…….and then b!tch about managing weight and range and fuel economy! Insanity…yet, some here take his word lIke gospel!

Obviously, he should have bought a g-wagon.

 

[stonepa]

Firstly, EVS are worse for the environment than ICE cars. Simply google how rare earth minerals are mined and the process of refinement and disposal.
Secondly, 'fossil fuels' are abiotic and not made of dinosaur bones. Also google Haber-Bosch Process-we NEED carbon to live.
Thirdly, there are simply not enough rare earth minerals currently to even have 25% of the vehicles on the planet battery powered, nor do we posses the infrastructure..
Lastly, please travel outside your nearest city to actually see the world and you will understand why EV are not a viable replacement for ICE vehicles.

EVs are toys for first world well to do's and the batteries will function the same way all batteries function meaning they will degrade over time and lose efficiency.
There are ICE vehicles that are over 30 years old that get the same gas mileage as when they were new.
Let's see you accomplish that with a battery.
Again, battery powered vehicles are NOT new tech. If the tech were viable it would have been incorporated decades ago.

You're a victim of propaganda.

We better hope this all works out. Or we will be living in a hot house hell hole from all the CO2 being belched out by these precious irreplaceable ICE vehicles. Thank God we have the best and brightest in the United States working on this problem.

 

[Omega3651]

We better hope this all works out. Or we will be living in a hot house hell hole from all the CO2 being belched out by these precious irreplaceable ICE vehicles. Thank God we have the best and brightest in the United States working on this problem.

How about you read up on the Haber-Bosch Process and let us know what you find out?
There are 4 key elements required for life to flourish-carbon is one of them.
You are a Carbon Based Lifeform, green houses have carbon pumps to produce higher yields.
Without carbon you die.
Stop the propaganda.

 

[MTKID]

Well, that is because you definitely bought the wrong vehicle for the job at hand…….and pulling weight that is beyond the limits engineered for your vehicle as determined by Toyota engineers.

Don’t blame the vehicle’s ”weakness” because of your own ignorance.

EDIT: oh while at it, TeCKis300 also jacked his LX up to the sky just to put on 35” tires (mismatch size with his spare nontheless!!) and tow his huge Airstream…….and then b!tch about managing weight and range and fuel economy! Insanity…yet, some here take his word lIke gospel!

Maybe we need a clear word or icon added for sarcasm At times, I’ve posted content that was initially misunderstood but thankfully my brilliance of everything automotive eventually shines through and my posts are always beneficial and helpful for anyone smart enough to apply it.

Especially after I edit them to go along with the perspective of the majority!

I sure hope your post was sarcasm. In which case, I’m laughing and I love it.

 

[stonepa]

How about you read up on the Haber-Bosch Process and let us know what you find out?
There are 4 key elements required for life to flourish-carbon is one of them.
You are a Carbon Based Lifeform, green houses have carbon pumps to produce higher yields.
Without carbon you die.
Stop the propaganda.

No propaganda. And I continue to wonder why you bring the Haber Bosch process into this. But believe what you want to.

 

[Madtiger]

Obviously, he should have bought a g-wagon.

G-wagen. FYI. Only those who have not experienced it are jealous of it.

 

[TeCKis300]

Well, that is because you definitely bought the wrong vehicle for the job at hand…….and pulling weight that is beyond the limits engineered for your vehicle as determined by Toyota engineers.

Don’t blame the vehicle’s ”weakness” because of your own ignorance.

EDIT: oh while at it, TeCKis300 also jacked his LX up to the sky just to put on 35” tires (mismatch size with his spare nontheless!!) and tow his huge Airstream…….and then b!tch about managing weight and range and fuel economy! Insanity…yet, some here take his word lIke gospel!

I enjoy your trolling. It's weak but still fun.

When the military needs capability for missions - more range, more payload, I do it under the guise of engineering. But here, I'm just a hack for your entertainment. Enjoy! If you ever need help choosing the right tires for your use, hit me up.

 

[Madtiger]

I enjoy your trolling. It's weak but still fun.

When the military needs capability for missions - more range, more payload, I do it under the guise of engineering. But here, I'm just a hack for your entertainment. Enjoy! If you ever need help choosing the right tires for your use, hit me up.

Thanks dude, if i ever need a tire to go up a pebble so that i can take a picture to show off, then i know who to PM!

 

[White Stripe]

See the world they say.

The stock cruiser sucked at managing this 8k load too. Range cut by half with 180 miles on a tank. Fortunately for ICE, there's aux tanks and infrastructure.

I'm a victim of experience. EVs won't do this job, yet. But they rule.

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Why did it suck? Did it overheat or something?

 

[TeCKis300]

Why did it suck? Did it overheat or something?

Ah, sorry it was lost in context. I was talking about stock range not being sufficient. It would be cut in half much like EVs.

I have an LRA aux tank for 38 gallons aboard to address that. The trip was superb and I wouldn't have it any other way. Ride, comfort, and capability is unmatched. Relaxed even after 600 mile days.

 

[Omega3651]

No propaganda. And I continue to wonder why you bring the Haber Bosch process into this. But believe what you want to.

I bring it up because all this talk about EVs which should more precisely be called BPVs for Battery Powered Vehicles always come back to someone spouting off about 'Carbon Footprints' and 'how bad ICE vehicles are'.
The Haber-Bosch Process explains how just about everything that you use and consume is made from carbon production including those precious BPVs, its the process that got us to this current industrial age.
That process amounts for 50% of the world's food production-you can't have a society without food production.
You literally cannot have a BPV without that process.
Secondly, since carbon is actually essentially for life to flourish it dispels the nonsense.
Lastly, no Battery Powered Vehicle (BPV) will reliably and comprehensively replace ICE vehicles worldwide so it boggles my mind why we keep comparing them to the LX/LC200s which are able to be in service worldwide now and reliably for the next decade at a minimum.

Show me any BPV that can be a world vehicle. I'll wait.

How about we take any BPV for safari or out to the Mohave for a couple weeks at a time?
Bet I could take a LC200 out there and cover over 250 miles and make it back home. There is no electrical infrastructure out there and the majority of the world doesn't look like your coastal cities where electrical infrastructure proliferates.

You want an advancement in tech?
Look backward-water/steam/hydrogen and battery powered have all been done before. Hydrogen could actually be incorporated much easier into existing gas stations than Lithium battery tech with the necessary charging stations that use carbon energy to supply the power for the batteries in your BPVs.
Do you have any idea what percentage of carbon is in the atmosphere? its .004%
Battery powered is the new fad to coincide with the Smart Cities initiative.

All this rabble rousing over a gas that trees need in order to live so they can provide us oxygen?
You're either a victim of propaganda or you are complicit in spouting it at this point.

 

[04UZJ100]

Driving an airstream around the US is not seeing the world.
Also that 180 miles was more than you would get from the Ford Lightning towing the same weight and while you could use the Rotopax on you roof to refuel in under 5 minutes-you'd be stuck out there in your EV waiting for AAA to show up in their gas powered ICE vehicle and gas powered generator to rescue you.
Simple fact-you cannot pull that Airstream and get to where you took that photo in anyway near the same timeline or with the same ease with any current EV or any EV produced in the next 5-10 years.

Watch the latest Hummer EV debacle on YT.

Having been to several interesting places all over the world with and without the Army, I can tell you that there is a reason ICE cars will not be replaced by EVs in your lifetime.
The tech is out there that can replace gas powered ICE but its not Lithium battery powered tech in its current iteration. The actual tech that could replace gasoline would afford greater freedom of movement and freedom of movement is not the future being planned for you. Smart cities are.
Study history-there were even water powered/steam powered vehicles decades ago. What could be better for the environment than water powered vehicles producing water vapor as exhaust?

What's the latest Hummer debacle? Always entertaining seeing GM release garbage products.

 

[Omega3651]

What's the latest Hummer debacle? Always entertaining seeing GM release garbage products.

It pooped the bed in traffic and the driver couldn't get it to go into gear or get the hood to open to access the 12V battery to do a hard reset. Had to call an ICE tow truck to rescue them but the vehicle was stuck in park so it couldn't get towed.

Just the type of performance you'd expect when you just spent a $100K plus for a GM BPV.