rear axle play ?

[hammered]

I have a 1/4 inch max, of play in my rear axles and think it is time to fix the problem.
Have some long road trips ahead down some nasty roads coming up.
Going to open the pumpkin manana and hoping someone could tell me what to look for.

As I said the axles on both sides of this 1965 diff. are making a clunking sound and will pull out a 1/4 inch max when I jack it up and yard on the wheel.

I check my books, but nothing said.
Searched forms, and nothing said.

Have asked some of the locals here and they no jack about it.

Any advise would be great.

Pura Bira
Hammered

 

[matt.mcinnes]

The only way I know of the axles pulling out like that are if the wheel bearings are shot. I take it if you jack it up and pull on the wheels they move in and out?
If so, easy fix just put a new wheel bearing kit through it soon if you have that much play!!

No need to open the pumpkin

 

[too tall]

the wheel bearings don't hold the axles in , the c-clips do I'd suspect something in the third member.I'd pull the cover and get a buddy to move the axles so you can look to try and determine where the play is.

 

[Full_M3tal]

Yah the c-lips may hold the akle in the stops the left to right play. But The Bearings Keep It Centerd, So If Your Bearing Is Shot, It Will Make Movement. Which Means Your Oil Seals Are Going Bad. So You Might As Well Buy A Complete Rebuild Kit For Your Axle.

Best Place And Cheapest To Buy Is From Kurt From Cruiser Outfiiters


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By The Way Do You Have Pinion Hop?

 

[matt.mcinnes]

the wheel bearings don't hold the axles in , the c-clips do I'd suspect something in the third member.I'd pull the cover and get a buddy to move the axles so you can look to try and determine where the play is.

Not trying to sound dumb but where are the c-clips on a rear axle? I know where they are on the front. As far as I know if you un bolt the rear axle it pulls stright out no c-clip on the end. The only play in a full floating hub has to be in the wheel bearngs, Either been lose or worn.

Mabey I am missing the point, or maybe c-clips are called some thing different here in Oz perhaps u-bolts

 

[nuclearlemon]

The only way I know of the axles pulling out like that are if the wheel bearings are shot. I take it if you jack it up and pull on the wheels they move in and out?
If so, easy fix just put a new wheel bearing kit through it soon if you have that much play!!

No need to open the pumpkin

uh, actually, you will need to open the pumpkin. you have to get the c clips out. before you can pull the shafts. unless you're working on a full floater, in which case you shouldn't have an issue with the axle sliding in and out.

 

[brian]

if the wheel bearings would be that shot, the axle would be riding on the seals, so they would be leaking like a LOT of oil.
not to mention you would hear the bearing.

are you dealing with in&out play or rotational play?

 

[nuclearlemon]

Not trying to sound dumb but where are the c-clips on a rear axle? I know where they are on the front. As far as I know if you un bolt the rear axle it pulls stright out no c-clip on the end. The only play in a full floating hub has to be in the wheel bearngs, Either been lose or worn.

Mabey I am missing the point, or maybe c-clips are called some thing different here in Oz perhaps u-bolts

on a semi floater axle, the c clips are what holds the axle shaft in. if you pull the diff cover, you will see a block in the center with a large pin through it, and a smaller bolt/pin holding that in place. remove the small pin, slide the large pin out and remove the block. from there, you can push the axles in and the c clips will fall off.

 

[matt.mcinnes]

Take it on a Semi-floatng hub you have to open the pumpkin just to change the wheel bearngs then. That sucks.

 

[hammered]

It is just an in / out issue.
Not leakin.
Just kindda sloppy.
I think the c clip is the problem.
I ahd a local suggest this also.
Will have a look manana.

Thanks for the info.

Pura Bira
Steve

 

[peesalot]

Hammered , here's what I think you got. The c clip holds axle in and the center block keeps the axle from moving to far in and letting c clip drop ( bad) . There is a nub or foot on end of axle that butts up against center block. The c clip rides in the side gear which has a thrust washer behind it.

In a 65 axle with high miles you may find a combination of wear causing said problem.

1) groove in axle that holds c clip.
2) c clip itself
3) pocket in side gear where c clip rides
4) thrust washer behind side gear.
5) end of axle
6) cenetr block
7) carrier bearings worn letting whole carrier move left to right

#4 & 7 would both cause a clunking when accel. / decelaration / turning and going forward to reverse.

 

[Pin_Head]

Someone may have left out the thrust block, which would explain the play.

 

[bustanutley]

Not trying to sound dumb but where are the c-clips on a rear axle? I know where they are on the front. As far as I know if you un bolt the rear axle it pulls stright out no c-clip on the end. The only play in a full floating hub has to be in the wheel bearngs, Either been lose or worn.

Mabey I am missing the point, or maybe c-clips are called some thing different here in Oz perhaps u-bolts

there is no such thing as a c-clip in the front end

 

[65swb45]

There shouldn't be ANYWHERE"S near that much play. Even in a '65. There are 4 different sizes of thrust washers for the side gears to minimize the rotational slop in the spider gears. After putting in the thrust washers that are best for your setup, there are 8 DIFFERENT sizes of center blocks who's one and only purpose is to keep the axle shafts [and thereby] the side gears, pressed firmly against the diff carrier, precisely to minimize any in-out play.

Even if you don't deal with the thrust washers [which I am definitely NOT suggesting] getting the right center block will take care of your problem.

 

[matt.mcinnes]

there is no such thing as a c-clip in the front end

There is a C-clip on the end of the front axle locking it into the CV and one on the end of the stub axel locking it into the free wheeling hub depending on the type of free wheeling hub, but like i said it depends what you call a c-clip

 

[nuclearlemon]

there is no such thing as a c-clip in the front end

yes there is...just a different style.

c clips hold birf to axle shaft and are on the end of the birf just under the hub dial.

 

[hammered]

Hey guys I figured out the problem.

It is the c-clips have worn a groove and just need to be shimmed.
I had it all apart and have since found the shim pack I need.
An easy fix. 1.5 hours max.

Thanks for all the input.
Hammered