I got some info from Mike at Bumpitoffroad. First off he is asking $800.00 for the bumper including powder coating. IF 5 or more people are interested, he will give us a 10% discount. I did inquire what would be the cost if some of you did not want the powder coating, and will pass that on when I get an answer. He sent some measurements of the hole placement in the middle of the cross member. My frame is a 77 and everything checks out the same as Pablo's.