Oct Moab Dates? (or) Stockers n Pups at Moab?

[sirenmoses]

Dates please, soonest. Vacation request is next week, and I'm at the bottom of the pile.

Only looked at last 2p of CM trip: made me feel funny in my tummy.... Gotta try it, at least once.

Know how to drive a company rig like it doesn't matter if it breaks, afeard to do the same w/my personal winter DD.

When I researched CM, sounded like dogs were a bad idea, not even allowed in the Canyonlands. 'might' be able to park mine at a friends in Durango area for a couple days.

Perhaps Evan or another dog lover can provide some perspective?



Feel free to delete/rename this once a real thread happens.

 

[marcfj60]

Dogs are not allowed in any of the National Parks (Canyonlands, Hovenweep, Arches). They are fine on BLM land.

 

[Rudical]

There is a thread on page 2 discussing dates.

 

[2manycruisers]

actually dogs are allowed in the parks, just not out of the parking lots or vehicles. Most of the wheeling in moab is not in parks, but if you go to e-hill the dogs are a problem. hotels and campgrounds generally don't allow leaving them alone, either.

Nezhny hasn't done much wheeling with us in a long time, but now that he is the last dog standing (RIP Maggie) we brought him along. At 11 1/2 years old, bouncing his 65 pounds around all day was exhausting for him and he's too dumb to just lay down. He was much happier hanging out in the truck at Arches NP the next day.

 

[Beowulf]

Perhaps Evan or another dog lover can provide some perspective?

I brought my smallest dog, Rusty, to CM10 with me last week; Wednesday through Sunday. He only weighs 15#. I wasn't signed up for E-hill and as far as I know, that is the only trail that doesn't allow dogs.

He was great in the tent and in the vehicle on the trails. I left him inside the vehicle whenever I couldn't have him with me; CM raffle, dinner in restaurants, and things like that. He was rarely off-leash outside the vehicle. I would bring him again without hesitation.

-Mike-

 

[sirenmoses]

The last (ok, only time) I wheeled w/my (RIP*) dogs, it was the N side of Cedro, and they didn't enjoy playing popcorn in the back. Group was great about stops and letting 'em run around, but I don't know I could enjoy the trip if I knew they weren't having as much of a good time.
Know what I mean?

*Current dogs are 70lb n 100lbs, both in the Senior category.

 

[OGBeno]

I would recommend not bringing your dogs along to the October trip.

There will be stretches of time between 3-4 hours where you will not be able to stop without really slowing the group down.

If the group goes into Arch Canyon your dogs will have navigate at least 59 water crossings over a 12 mile stretch one way.

Camp grounds differ. Will your dogs be independent and stay near camp or will they wander off having you and everyone else have to go and search for them.

This trip won't be like running over to Cedro for a run. This is going to be in the middle of no where with no services, other people for almost a days drive.

If we go to Canyonlands, your dogs will have to stay in the car the entire time. That can be brutal.

The roads and trails we will be doing will not be easy--i.e., bumpy/washboard roads for hours at a time, slow going roads, steep up hills with thousand foot drops on one side.

The trip in October will be the real deal if the group does it like our group did it just this last week--vehicle dependent, far away from reality expedition style wheeling.

 

[sirenmoses]

^ thanks for the honest advice. greatly appreciated.

 

[Cruisergreg]

This trip won't be like running over to Cedro for a run. This is going to be in the middle of no where with no services, other people for almost a days drive.

If we go to Canyonlands, your dogs will have to stay in the car the entire time. That can be brutal.

The roads and trails we will be doing will not be easy--i.e., bumpy/washboard roads for hours at a time, slow going roads, steep up hills with thousand foot drops on one side.

The trip in October will be the real deal if the group does it like our group did it just this last week--vehicle dependent, far away from reality expedition style wheeling.

Fercrissake Beno, quit trying to freak people out. This group collectively has thousands (if not tens of thousands) of miles of off-pavement expedition travel experience, and on a trip we always watch out for those that don't.

 

[TroutRunner]

Personally, I'm not watching out for anyone who isn't watching out for themselves. I only do that when I'm getting paid at work.

2 issues:

1. It sounds like it could be a long (distance travelled) trip. Best to not get into trouble or it messes with the whole group. Things happen...that is when we should take care of each other.

2. Dogs - I'm betting from what Siren is saying, her dogs won't like the ride. That is for her to decide. I think Onur was just giving a realistic view of the difference between a week long trip and day trips back to civilization or a base camp.

G

 

[Beowulf]

Fercrissake Beno, quit trying to freak people out.

Onur is giving good advice to Carol. Her rig is not set up for expedition wheeling and you have said many times how horribly rough riding a 60 can be. Her dogs are big and will be thrown all over the truck. A coil sprung stockish 80 with big dogs would be a maybe if she had some remote camping experience but this is not a good choice for her first trip out with our group, carrying dogs in a stock FJ60.

My 2c.

-Mike-

 

[OGBeno]

Fercrissake Beno, quit trying to freak people out. This group collectively has thousands (if not tens of thousands) of miles of off-pavement expedition travel experience, and on a trip we always watch out for those that don't.

That's great Greg. I don't doubt what you say.

I'm just trying to be realistic about what to expect living out of your vehicle for a 4-5 day period quite possibly hundreds of road miles away from any services/facilities/vets.

Hey, it's just my opinion.

Carol's an adult. She can do whatever she wants.

 

[alia176]

Fercrissake Beno, quit trying to freak people out. This group collectively has thousands (if not tens of thousands) of miles of off-pavement expedition travel experience, and on a trip we always watch out for those that don't.

This group HAD the experience that you're referring to as a club. Since I've been part of this club, there has not been a single vehicle dependent overland travel type of trip as a club. As individuals, few of us (I'm counting less than five) have done similar trips.

If the club does decide to go on an adventure in Southern UT, stockers will be out of the question. Trails like the Arch Canyon or the Emigrant Trail (Hole in the Rock) requires a modified vehicle, with at least a rear locker. However, if the club would like to do a trip like the White Rim trail inside the Canyonlands, then stockers should fair well, minus the dogs. Another good one may be the Kokopelli trail for a mildly lifted stocker. I'm sure there are plenty others that I don't know about.

Dogs are a wonderful addition on a road trip but unless he/she is used that type of environment, you're pretty much setting him/her up for failure. With that said, we had a 10 week old puppy on the latest trip and he did extremely well. But having three dogs inside the Canyonland boundary in our group brought the owners some serious paranoia grief. I don't know if they'd go through that again! I think Canyonlands forbids having dogs inside the vehicle at any time.

 

[marcfj60]

I think Canyonlands forbids having dogs inside the vehicle at any time.

When I signed up for Elephant Hill, the details on the CM website regarding the trail specifically said that you would not be admitted into the park if you had a dog in the vehicle.

 

[pappy]

From the Canyonlands NP website ...

Pets

Activities with pets are very limited at Canyonlands. Pets are not allowed on hiking trails or anywhere in the backcountry. Pets may not accompany groups traveling by four-wheel-drive vehicle, mountain bike or boat.

Pets may accompany visitors in the developed campgrounds, and may be walked in the park along paved roads. Pets may also accompany visitors traversing the Potash/Shafer Canyon road between Moab and the Island in the Sky. Pets must be leashed at all times when outside a vehicle.

 

[1911]

When I signed up for Elephant Hill, the details on the CM website regarding the trail specifically said that you would not be admitted into the park if you had a dog in the vehicle.

If you enter the Needles District from the Arch Canyon / Beef Basin side, no one is likely to know whether you have dogs in your truck or not. Having said that, I don't like to wheel with our dogs, I'll leave them in a kennel if there's no other option.

 

[Cruisergreg]

If the club does decide to go on an adventure in Southern UT, stockers will be out of the question.

For the record, my comment to Onur was half tongue-in-cheek because of the breathless tone of his post.

To say any trip to S. UT specifically excludes stockers isn't really accurate. I've been all over the area on both sides of the river and there are plenty of places where you can leave pavement (and people) behind for miles but still have opportunities for shorter serious wheeling trips from an accessible base camp in the middle of nowhere. Deciding is just a matter of who wants to go and what they want to do.

As for dogs (and kids for that matter) it's just a matter of the driver's comfort level and understanding of their animal's temperment (and how annoying they could be to other people). When I lived in Nor Cal, for years we would make a 5-day 1,200 mile roundtrip from the Bay Area, across the Sierras, then the off-highway route through Saline Valley and then Death Valley in my bone stock 70 FJ40. Almost always brought my parent's Aussie who took it in stride and loved the camping. Other dogs clearly would not have faired so well. Same with kids - my oldest started his wheeling/camping life with a 3 day overnight at Devil's Kitchen (E-Hill) before heading to Cruise Moab when he was 8 weeks old. My younger son never had that sort of experience so I would have to keep a closer pulse on his safety and comfort on a longer trip.

Point is, if this is to truly be a "club" event then there ought to be some accomodation for folks with less experience or more limited equipment.

Ash, I'm not sure which 4 people you are thinking of, but of the "old" contingent Bushrat, the Williams' the Busey's and myself, (and O'Niell and Juane who remain on the fringe) all did self-contained group expedition-type trips together over the years. It just hasn't happened more recently because our lives have just become more complicated. There's probably more experience out there than you are aware.