LJ70 brake problem

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Hi all,
1986 LJ70 LHD 2LT that suddenly after replacing the front brake calipers and pads I have this problem:
very hard brake pedal, red power assistance light on and the car brakes very little.
If I increase the engine revs the light goes off (but still don't slow down ) and about 6 months ago I replaced the alternator complete with vacuum pump.....
can anyone help me ?
thank you
Giacomo
 
Hi
Sounds like your alternator / vakuum pump combo is the issue, possibly in conjunction with the brake booster (causing the hard pedal).
I suggest to tackle the topics separately:
Disconnect the vacuum hose and check the alternator to work properly. Make sure the vakuum pump is not seized up, blocking the alternator from spinning.
Then check the vakuum pump to function properly: Does it produce vakuum? (For correct assessment a vakuum gauge comes in handy, but you can actually also just feel it).
Last bit would be the brake system and brake booster. Go by FSM.
Good Luck Ralf
 
Thank you Felde,
alternator/vacuum pump new,the alternator is charging properly and the vacuum pump isn't blocked.
I also feel the hose on the brake booster sucking air.
Do you know what the suction level should be ?
could it be the brake booster ?
Giacomo
 
@giacomo Here is the excerpt from the manual for your condition. Also, don’t forget to bleed the prop valve underneath as well.

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You say the power light is on, indicating a charging issue, right?
The only technical link between electrical charging and the brake system is the brake booster > vakuum > vakuum pump.
(Well, there might also be a brake fluid level sensor that might turn on a warning light.)
So, my idea is to first make sure the warning light is resolved. *,For this, you need to understand what exactly the meaning of this particular light is and what all might trigger it. * -> you need the service manual.
Isolating the charging system from the brake system by disconnecting vacuum is my approach.
So: Is the power warning light off now?
(You might need to consider that you have two separate problems).
If some vakuum suction on the brake booster is observed, let's assume the vakuum is OK.

Now for the brakes:
With vakuum disconnected or engine off: How does the pedal feel?
Probably still hard.
First: I suggest to remove the brake pads on the front and verify the calliper pistons are not seized.
Second:
Your master brake cylinder might have failed and fluid might have seeped behind the piston, obstructing it to move. Might be hard to tell whether break pressure is build up, preventing further movement, or something is seized.
I suggest to setup for bleeding brakes: a hose from bleeding nipple into a container with brake fluid / no air in this. Open the bleeder and check the pedal. As the brake circuit is open now, there should be almost no resistance to move the pedal, and you should observe brake fluid to be moved.
If there is still a hard pedal: Something is seized. Diagnose the actuation linkage and the master cylinder then.
With no vakuum applied, the brake booster should just pass on the pedal linkage to the master cylinder. Disconnect master cylinder from brake booster and check movement of the components individually.
Even without boost, the brakes are supposed to operate and the pedal must move.
I think, it's the master cylinder.
Good Luck Ralf
 
The red dash light can come on for 3 different reasons.
If there is little vacuum in the booster system.
If the parking brake is on.
or if the amount of brake fluid is low.

Buy a vacuum gauge and connect it to one of the booster vacuum lines to make sure all is well.
 
Oh. Apparently my bad / poor English:
By 'power assist light' you mean the brake warning light. I initially understood it's the charging warning light...
 
Maybe I'm assuming the wrong light. We will find out.
 
The red dash light it concerns the brakes and not the charging system, and the brake fluid is high/parking brake is off
what vacuum values should I read on the hose that connects to the brake booster ?
Giacomo
 
My BJ74 vacuum pump lowers the pressure to something like -90kPa.
I think anything less than -60kPa should be okay if it is constant.
I bought a gauge and a lot of cheap tubing of different diameters so the gauge can connect to many other tube or pipe sizes.
 
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