Lincoln 175...FYI

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Keith,

I know this doesn't help much now.. I guess you could have gotten a bigger welder with plenty of power (200+ amps) and you would not need to worry about using flux core.... Of course there is the small issue of money we all have to worry about.

I think HH187 is perfectly capable of welding 3/16 in one pass with solid mig wire. Might be able to do 1/4" with some beveling.

Charles

Money is the DEVIL!
Sure, I could have bought the 215 unit (as I could have afforded it), but I have to keep SOME perspective in this little Landcuriser HOBBY! I could NOT justify any more for the welding I do...Gotta be practical sometimes aaaand keep the wife happy too!;)
If I have to bevel and do multiple passes to do the job right with it, then so be it. I dont mind doing a little extra work to get there with a smaller unit!


Chicago
 
I dont mind doing a little extra work to get there with a smaller unit!


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I dont mind doing a little extra work to get there with a smaller unit!


Chicago













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That's my life story!

Good one Ken!

Keith
 
I GOT MY WELDER!!!!
Went to Hobart and registered it!
Dorked around with it for hours last night...cant wait to see the electric bill!
One of the biggest things that I noticed...besides more power, is the "livliness" of the arc...
On the Lincolns Ive welded with, the arc just sounded DULLER...
I donno how to explain it!

I ditched the gym so I could play with my unit!!!:D:eek:

Ill post some pics up when I really get into some stuff, and not just lawn art!

Ive gotta go hit up the weld shop and pic up some materials!
Apparently there are 2 different types of tips...one for gas and one for flux core.
The send flux core wire, but only the gas tip...weird. It wasnt till I sat down and looked through the manual that I was able to determine there was a tip specifically for the flux core, and that it was an OPTIONAL item!

Keith
 
Ive gotta go hit up the weld shop and pic up some materials!
Apparently there are 2 different types of tips...one for gas and one for flux core.
The send flux core wire, but only the gas tip...weird. It wasnt till I sat down and looked through the manual that I was able to determine there was a tip specifically for the flux core, and that it was an OPTIONAL item!

Keith

You might consider getting some larger tips for flux core wire. There are guys running .045 mig tips with .035 flux core wire. It should improve feeding issues if you run into any.
 
Tip or the end of the gun???

The mig gun has a cup on the end of itt hat flows gas.. The flux core gun is different, it does not have the open "cup" The tips you actually use should be the same, mig or flux core.
 
Tip or the end of the gun???

The mig gun has a cup on the end of itt hat flows gas.. The flux core gun is different, it does not have the open "cup" The tips you actually use should be the same, mig or flux core.

I was referring to the end piece...
the deal that is a press fit...the "cup"
There is a different GUN for flux core!?:confused:
According to the manual, all you have to do is change out the end piece for flux core apps.

Charles!
No feed issues to speak of...
She works flawlessly for the time being!

Thanks,

Keith
 
there are guns that will not do mig, but no, it is just a different designed "cup"
 
You might consider getting some larger tips for flux core wire. There are guys running .045 mig tips with .035 flux core wire. It should improve feeding issues if you run into any.

Yeup,
Running the .035 flux core through the .035 tips causes the feed to back up like a cheap toilet!
Every little kink in the wire, she binds!
Im welding up my sliders and its pissin me off!
Ill have to run out and get some .045 tips man-yana!
I found this out cuz I ran out of the 30 wire....

That's kinda weird IMO!

Chicago
 
Kieth-It sounds like you need to tighten the feed mechanism, or align the feed itself. My welder feeds the flux core just fine. I just dont like using it.

Also new wire should be smooth and free of kinks. Something sounds wrong.
 
Kieth-It sounds like you need to tighten the feed mechanism, or align the feed itself. My welder feeds the flux core just fine. I just dont like using it.

Also new wire should be smooth and free of kinks. Something sounds wrong.

I AGREE!
I did tighten the feed mechanism, but Ill play with it a bit more.
The wire I got from the weld shop. There are minute kinks that ultimatley cause it to bind coming through the tip. The wire is pretty tight comng through. Fortuanately its only sample spool, so I dont have to deal with it for too long.
how do you align the feed?

K
 
I AGREE!
I did tighten the feed mechanism, but Ill play with it a bit more.
The wire I got from the weld shop. There are minute kinks that ultimatley cause it to bind coming through the tip. The wire is pretty tight comng through. Fortuanately its only sample spool, so I dont have to deal with it for too long.
how do you align the feed?

K

Make sure the rollers line up with the wire coming and going. Also, be careful not to tighten the roller too much since that will make your flux core wire oval shaped and not feed well through the contact tip.
 
Make sure the rollers line up with the wire coming and going. Also, be careful not to tighten the roller too much since that will make your flux core wire oval shaped and not feed well through the contact tip.

Checked the rollers and how they aligned...seems fine, tightened the drive roll, still bound up, loosened the drive roll...bound!
Seriously...where it binds, I grasp the bit of wire sticking out of the tip with some pliers and tug while holding the trigger, and I can visually see that the wire has a small kink in it...
I get passed it, hold the trigger letting it feed, and she'll bind every 8-10 inches or so...
So I stopped and got more .030 wire, that Ill run through the .035 tip, and get some .045 tips later so I can run the .035 wire through!
I read a post from 2badfjs that he was having a similar problem with his too...Im assuming this is a "kwerk" of the HH 187's?

Thanks,

Chicago
 
The feed mechanism on my Millermatic has an alignment adjustment of the drive roll feed. It's separate from the tension adjustment. That way the wire is fed directly into the liner tube and is not offset. The binding you describe would send me over the edge. 8 inches of wire is like 2 seconds of welding. That would never do. There is no way you should have to use .035 tips to run .030 wire either. That just isn't right.

I thought the Hobart was basically the same as the Miller. Can you post a pic of the drive mechanism?
 
Back up a step,
As a guy who used to work for airgas selling these things, let me set some goodness straight.
1. You should not have to use an oversized tip for hard wire, This may not hold true for flux core as I have expereinced wire swell with .045 flux core wich we would jump to an .052 tip. Stick to the same tip as your wire size for hard wire.

2. drew is right on the tips, If you are not using gas use the hard tip, not the open cup, Not really a big deal, but with flux core you will throw more spatter, This will get stuck in the gas diffuser (the peice that the tip screws into) and when you do get a tank and run gas it will run like s***. You can use the open cups (gas style) with flux core it will work fine, It just costs $$ to replace diffusers.

3. If you really want to see a smooth weld see if you can find any 10 pound spools of dual sheild wire. It will be $$$. But for 1/4 or better it can not be beat. Esab makes a good line of dual sheild wires.

4. drive wheels, There is a long discussion of these as there are 3 major types, v groove, u groove and knurled. The best for flux core is a knurled drive roll. this will have little ridges in the wheel that will push the sire forward without crushing the outer casing of the wire. Your welder probably has a v shaped or a u shape, These are much better for solid wire but can crush the outer casing on flux core wire. This could be the feed issue you were having. Not sure but hope you enjoy the welder.

Dave
 
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The feed mechanism on my Millermatic has an alignment adjustment of the drive roll feed. It's separate from the tension adjustment. That way the wire is fed directly into the liner tube and is not offset. The binding you describe would send me over the edge. 8 inches of wire is like 2 seconds of welding. That would never do. There is no way you should have to use .035 tips to run .030 wire either. That just isn't right.

I thought the Hobart was basically the same as the Miller. Can you post a pic of the drive mechanism?

Hey Andy,
its driving me crazy too as Im trying to weld up my sliders!
Ill get a pic of the drive roll later today!
The .030 flux wire is great, but its the spool of .035 that is giving me problems...Maybe its just a bad roll. Yesterday AM, I F'd around with the feed mech as you suggested...didnt weld anything, and there are small kinks...I was gonna try and get a snap shot of it, but I think it would be hard to see via a pic.
The feed housing between the HH and MM are different...The HH has a plastic housing where yours is metal, but the drive rolls look the same from what I can tell!

Maybe the tension is too much and like others have said...Im crushing the casing of the wire?!

K
 
Back up a step,
As a guy who used to work for airgas selling these things, let me set some goodness straight.
1. You should not have to use an oversized tip for hard wire, This may not hold true for flux core as I have expereinced wire swell with .045 flux core wich we would jump to an .052 tip. Stick to the same tip as your wire size for hard wire.

2. drew is right on the tips, If you are not using gas use the hard tip, not the open cup, Not really a big deal, but with flux core you will throw more spatter, This will get stuck in the gas diffuser (the peice that the tip screws into) and when you do get a tank and run gas it will run like s***. You can use the open cups (gas style) with flux core it will work fine, It just costs $$ to replace diffusers.

3. If you really want to see a smooth weld see if you can find any 10 pound spools of dual sheild wire. It will be $$$. But for 1/4 or better it can not be beat. Esab makes a good line of dual sheild wires.

4. drive wheels, There is a long discussion of these as there are 3 major types, v groove, u groove and knurled. The best for flux core is a knurled drive roll. this will have little ridges in the wheel that will push the sire forward without crushing the outer casing of the wire. Your welder probably has a v shaped or a u shape, These are much better for solid wire but can crush the outer casing on flux core wire. This could be the feed issue you were having. Not sure but hope you enjoy the welder.

Dave

Hey Dave!
Thanks for the input here...
I DID swap out the end cup for the flux core wire, and I am running the flux core not gas wire.

I may just contact Hobart direct and get the straight POOP from them!

Its something STUPID simple Im sure!

I LOVE the welder, but this lil issue is driving me NUTZ!

Chicago
 
Are you using a smooth bore drive roll with the 030 or a knurled bore??
If you are using the same drive roll for a 035 and 030 wire you will have major feeding issues witth the 035, In hard ire you can just crank or loosen the tension to accomadate but in cored wire it will cause you greif, Call down to the local welder supply and see if they have knurled rollers in stock, IF you are using knurled make sure you are using the correct groove for your wire size.
Dave
 
Are you using a smooth bore drive roll with the 030 or a knurled bore??
If you are using the same drive roll for a 035 and 030 wire you will have major feeding issues witth the 035, In hard ire you can just crank or loosen the tension to accomadate but in cored wire it will cause you greif, Call down to the local welder supply and see if they have knurled rollers in stock, IF you are using knurled make sure you are using the correct groove for your wire size.
Dave

Its smooth...
Its what they sent to me!
Im callin them today to inquire on this! Seem absurd to me that I should HAVE to buy a different component to make the thing work correctly!:mad:

K
 
it could be a u groove but typically for flux core you will use matched (upper and lower) u groove rollers, not one u and a flat side upper.
It gets confusing.
Dave
 

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