hello i had a ride in a gx with the kdss and it was very nice any ideas why its not offered in the lc or lx???? can wieght be a issue?
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calamaridog said:Sounds like a solid theory
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The more I see the GX470 the more I like it.
Me too, and I think things like KDSS and the like can only hope our newest generation off-roaders.
The 4Runner/GX470/LC120 outsells the 100 about 10 to 1 so it gets the priority for engineering resources. I love my 100 but I think that the next vehicle named Landcrusier will be more like the 120 than the 100.
I don't believe sales has anything to do with engineering. 4Runners have always outsold Cruisers because they're affordable. 4Runners have never had technical/engineering advances over a Cruiser. In the case of a GX vs a 100 the story is simple. It's newer design and technology. The 100 platform was introduced in 1998. The GX platform is only a couple years old. Features/advancement usually trickle down from higher models. (look at all the improvements that were made to the 100 vs the 80.....same idea, and they had nothing to do with sales.
Oh, if the next Land Cruiser is like the GX470 it won't sell in America, especially the Lexus version. The GX is a toy compared to the 100. It's too small for starters. Second, the underpinnings are no 100 for certain.
Let's hope the next Cruiser is very similar to the current 100. Let's add KDSS or the like to a largely unchanged drivetrain, a rear locker/TRAC combo option and a more powerful motor. Why would anybody with a 100 trade down to a GX? Think about it.....how many LX owners would say the GX is a better vehicle? Ahhhhhh, none. (Though you'll find more people that can afford a GX but not an LX)
Conventional roll stabiliser bars fitted to most modern vehicles work well to reduce vehicle body roll during cornering but also greatly increase single wheel and articulation stiffness, which reduce ride comfort and the vehicles ability to maintain equal wheel loading on uneven surfaces. Suspension designers struggle to find a balance between these ride parameters as each compromises the other. The Kinetic Reverse Function Stabiliser System or RFS can retain conventional bounce and damping methods and works by splitting the roll stabiliser bars using a simple cradle device incorporating a double acting hydraulic cylinders. These cylinders are connected using kinetics unique proprietary RFS arrangement . This arrangement passively frees the bars to allow articulation and single wheel type movements but will not permit vehicle body roll. This roll stiffness and "articulation looseness" are achieved simultaneously with neither mode effecting the other. This system requires no computers, pumps or motors.
calamaridog said:I have to say I like the GX470 better for a town car but I wouldn't beat the crap out of it. The GX is a real sweet ride.
In terms of spring longevity, a torsion bar will out live a coil spring--it will maintain its spring rate longer. Another advantage of the torsion bar is for space considerations. The adjustable ride height is a bonus. But all in all, I prefer coil springs too.FirstToy said:One thing I don't understand is why they used torsion bars on the 100... simplicity? I had torsion bars on my Xterra but I feel coilovers are a better design. Having said that, the 100's ride doesn't seem to suffer for it.