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Judith Miller / Jailed Reporters

Discussion in 'Chit-Chat' started by dieselcruiserhead, Jul 12, 2005.

  1. dieselcruiserhead

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    Not sure if anyone has been following this but I didn't see anything about it here. As some of maybe know two reporters each broke stories that revealed a supposedly "undercover" CIA operative being the wife of some highup elsewhere in the Washington scene. Even though the woman worked at the CIA and was freely communting to work (so really anyone could have figured it out), the case went before several courts and appeals courts all the way to one step away from the supreme cout. The journalists have been held in contempt for not revealing who told them about the CIA operative. The jouralists are protecting their source and promise of anonymity to the source. The two journalists were Judith Miller of the New York Times, and the other was a reporter from Time Magazine (don't remember his name). Time eventually buckled and told the court that they would state who the source was. However they claim that at the last minute the source (in reality a lawyer for the source) said it was OK to reveal their name.

    I did not follow this case from the beginning very eary but never realized the White House said that anyone who was involved would be fired and assured that it was not a top level person.

    Turns out, according to the Times and other reputable sources, that the source is Karl Rove, Senior Advisor to the White House and also architect of Bush's reelection campaign. Interesting how this will turn out because technically he broke the law (hence the court manhunt). I am not sure if the reporters will now end up in jail or not.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/politics/12rove.html?th&emc=th
     
  2. T Y L E R

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    I doubt anything will come of it, unfortunately. The politicians get dirtier and dirtier, the lies get worse, as do their actions, and the only people they are accountable to are themselves, it seems.

    Besides all that, it seems like the overall opinion in the general public is that it's not that big of a deal. An undercover CIA op had her cover blown, but her husband was against the invasion of Iraq...
     
  4. Gumby

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    Either Karl Rove or that asshat Robert Novak should go to jail or both. Releasing the info to a reporter is treasonous. There is simply NO excuse for a reporter to report it. The Times didn't. Neither did Judy Miller.

    Neither will. Nothing will come of it.

    I at least hope the reporters for the "liberal" media will at least hold Bush's feet to the fire a little bit for stating whoever leaked the info would be fired. But they won't. They'll find some runaway bride story to latch on to and we'll get 24 hour coverage of that.
     
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    Wow, Karl Rove was involved? :rolleyes: I'm shocked.

    And yeah, to set the record straight, Novak reported it. Miller was working on the story, but decided not to publish it, and I don't think Matt Cooper reported it, either, but both spoke to Rove, I believe (their calls were in the White House log) so they were investigated. Miller and Cooper get threatened with jail time, and Novak . . . what of him? :rolleyes:

    I think there's going to be more coverage of Bastille Day this year for some reason. :D
     
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    I've been losing sleep over this story :rolleyes:

    I think rove and the republic brought the death star to nyc this weekend to destory evidence.
     
  7. IDave

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    Yes, I've been watching. Yes, it was Karl Rove, probably among others in the White House. Yes it is by legal definition a treasonous offense. And yes, he denied it under oath which is also a jailable offense.

    But that's all OK, right?
     
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    Well to be fair, we should let some white people off the hook since our courts let OJ and MJ free :flipoff2:
     
  9. Jman

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    I'm not losing sleep over the jail time--I think Miller needs to do pennance for her lousy reporting on "chemical weapons" in Iraq anyway. :D


    Oh, and that comment about Rove was sarcasm. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah... the "Liberal" media control what we read... The mainstream media in this country are dominated by liberals. I was informed of this fact by Rush Limbaugh. And Thomas Sowell. And Ann Coulter. And Rich Lowry. And Bill O'Reilly. And William Safire. And Robert Novak. And William F. Buckley, Jr. And George Will.
    And John Gibson. And Michelle Malkin. And David Brooks. And Tony Snow. And Tony Blankely. And Fred Barnes. And Britt Hume. And Larry Kudlow. And Sean Hannity. And David Horowitz. And William Kristol. And Hugh Hewitt. And Oliver North. And Joe Scarborough. And Pat Buchanan. And John McLaughlin. And Cal Thomas. And Joe Klein. And James Kilpatrick. And Tucker Carlson. And Deroy Murdock. And Michael Savage. And Charles Krauthammer.And Stephen Moore. And Alan Keyes. And Gary Bauer. And Mort Kondracke. And Andrew Sullivan. And Nicholas von Hoffman. And Neil Cavuto. And Matt Drudge. And Mike Rosen. And Dave Kopel. And John Caldara. :censor:
     
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    The real joke here is that the media isn't reporting on what the case is about, they've been reporting that the investigation/prosecution in the matter is looking into whether or not an illegal act was commited. Rove, afterall, did not mention her name...he just said "Joseph Wilson's wife" :rolleyes:

    See...it's all square.

    Nothing will happen.
     
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    Since Rove supposedly didn't use her name, and didn't know she was covert, nothing will happen to him. Will GW "handle" him, like he said he would? Doubt it. Rove will resign if the pressure builds enough, and very little will come of it.

    The real question is why nothing is happening to Bob Novak? He's the one who outed her.
     
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    Novak, the Douche Bag of Freedom, cut a deal with someone.
     
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    Rove could resign, and other than losing a little face, he really wouldn't be worse off or in any less position of power. The White House will certainly continue to use him. The man is an evil genius. He doesn't have to keep his title of "Senior Advisor" to be one.

    He won't go though. This administration does not admit to mistakes.

    Novak should, without a doubt, go to jail. At the very least he should be off the air. I have not watched any CNN station since the story broke and he kept his job.
     
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    I think you guys are missing the obvious.

    Rove said months ago that anyone he spoke to about this was free to reveal any of their conversations. He also spoke with the special investigator (Fitzpatrick) about it and told the committee then what is being reported now. So he didn't cover it up, he told them what he told Cooper (and Miller). It was Cooper's and Miller's choice not to disclose those conversations since they felt for some reason they should protect their source. But they had no reason to do so since Rove told them they could reveal their conversation, right?

    So Time gives up the documents and lo and behold, Rove did not identify Plame except by referring to her as Wilson's wife who worked at CIA. He didn't even know what her position was as Cooper noted (as did Newsweek too). So Rove did nothing that any previous White House staffer was doing in other administrations (and arguably did much ess than the Carville group used to do).

    So now why does the NY Times refuse to give up Miller's notes and reveal the source? One would expect--if it were the case--that Rove was the source and that they really wouldn't be giving anything up that wasn't already known. And again, Rove told them long ago that they could disclose his communications with them. It's Miller's right not to give up her source in exchange for her time in jail, and the Times is within their rights to allow her to do this. But why? The Times is essentially obstructing justice by not revealing who identified Plame. They (the editors of the Times) have to know who it was because it's SOP for them to source these things before printing.

    What other reason could the Times have for not revealing this source? Well, one can speculate that it's Miller herself who identified Plame. That wouldn't be any more illegal than Rove's saying it was Wilson's wife since she too has no access that information (Rove didn't at the time either in his role with the campaign). But it would be a real embarrasment to the Times if it turned out that their own reporter was the "outer". It would also eliminate all the fun they're having with Rove over this.

    I find it interesting too that nobody is asking Novak where he got his info from. Why not? It all stinks, but it stinks most of the media going to the mattresses just like they did with "what's the frequency" Dan.
     
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    Miller didn't do a story on this--she just talked to people to get some background and called it off--so she didn't "out" anyone. But they're investigating it because they know she talked to some people who might have revealed the name. Standing fast is her way of being a "good" journalist--something she probably feels she needs to do to clean up her image after he Iraq war stories.

    Just because Rove might not have technically violated the law in his exchanges with Miller and Cooper (I think he did--a leak is a leak) doesn't mean he didn't give the name to Novak.

    Novak is the only one to do a story on it, he is the one who publicized the name that was leaked to him--he and the leaker should go to jail.

    But yeah, Scamper, where is the pressure on Novak? :rolleyes:
     
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    As I understand it, Rove didn't even know her name at the time which is why he just referred to her as "Wilson's wife". So I still don't see how he gave the name to Novak.

    Acutally, I don't think anyone should go to jail, since IMO no crime was committed by anyone. What was the crime? Everyone keeps talking about leaking her name, but I've yet to hear anyone say who did it (in the sense that they knew she was a covered agent and knew it was illegal). Apparently a lot of people in DC knew she was at CIA, so that was no secret. And many people knew who Wilson's wife was (though not Rove, hehe...so much for intel). Putting the two together is not major investigative work--anyone could have done that if they were interested in doing so. And Plame, who has a cushy desk job at Langly, has not been damaged in any way, unless you want to count the fact that she used her position to get her husband sent to Niger to investigate the yellowcake matter and subsequently lied about it.

    But yes, that still leave 'ol Bobby Novak out in the cold. I suppose he could have just figured out who Wilson's wife was, or maybe he already knew. But then why didn't he just say so? It makes me curious to know, but I still don't see the crime in this anywhere--just lots of political fumbling. These politicos could make a fart smell sweet if they try hard enough. :D
     
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    Wait a second, if we white-people have 2 get-out-of-jail-free cards, then I don't want one used for this crap. I want one for me when I steal millions from some bank...the other could be sold on ebay for a pretty penny.. :D
     
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    Does anyone know what the communication between Rove and Novak actually was? I mean, from a source other than Rove? And if he didn't know her name, but still identified her as "Wilson's wife the spook" :D to a journalist, then that's good enough for me. Just WTF is he, a political strategist, doing having these kind of conversations with journalists? :rolleyes: Yeah, I'm sure it was all in the name of national security. :rolleyes:
     
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    Oh please. The content and lack of content in just about all the reporting (especially here in the pansy liberal northeast) is so liberal/left it is undeniable. Ann Coulter and the rest are hardly mainstream media... In fact, almost none of them are recognizable names to most people, or are not "media" people - but rather political types. Safire is mostly known for his commentary on language - not news.

    An example of your "non-liberal media" in action:

    (I will have to find the source for this) - it regards reporting of firearms and the"evils" of guns and "assault rifles" of all kinds.

    When crimes are committed with firearms, or someone is arrested and they happen to have firearms the media is quick to point out all sorts of big bad details like how many rounds they have, how many guns they own, and if they are "Assault" weapons. When the good guys stop or subdue an attacker using their own firearms the media in just about all cases fails to report that bit of information. Usually something like "two bystanders subdues the gunman" or something like that. Little mention is made about women defending themsleves from attackers with firearms, etc.

    The whining about the label of "liberal media" is ridiculous. Please find something else to whine about. It (like most of the left/liberal spewage) makes the liberals/commies/socialists sound like they are infants and do not live in the real world. (Which may in fact be true) How else can one explain clinging to such ridiculous economic and social beliefs?


    Sorry for the political rant. Just in a foul mood here at work and was disgusted by the pro-liberal whining

    :cheers: