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[chefbige09]

I am a newbie on this forum and have been looking around for threads on Icon stage 1 lifts. I’m sure there is plenty is tons of info but being new I am have trouble finding it. My question is I recently had an Icon stage 1 lift installed on my ‘18 LC 200. I am overall happy with it but I am having more steering wheel movement over bumps at low speeds. An alignment was done the same day as install. Do I need to upgrade my steering stabilizer? I will be adding a replacement no hoop front bumper soon w/out a winch. Any advice would be much appreciated. I attached a couple photos.
Thanks in advance

 

[bemerritt]

The short anwser is No.

 

[chefbige09]

The short anwser is No.

Thank you

 

[turbo8]

There is not a steering stabilizer on the 200 series nor should be on any vehicle with rack and pinion steering.

 

[Itsky]

Did you also install new Upper Control Arms? If you are on the stock ones, you may not have enough caster.

 

[bloc]

Could also be “tail wag” from increased rear panhard rod angle. If so the brand of lift doesn’t matter, just the height in rear.

 

[chefbige09]

There is not a steering stabilizer on the 200 series nor should be on any vehicle with rack and pinion steering.

Thanks! you can tell I’m ignorant!

 

[chefbige09]

Did you also install new Upper Control Arms? If you are on the stock ones, you may not have enough caster.

I am on stock uppers. Should I replace them or can that be adjusted?
Thank you

 

[chefbige09]

Could also be “tail wag” from increased rear panhard rod angle. If so the brand of lift doesn’t matter, just the height in rear.

I do have some tail wag. Do u know where I can find the specs on the correct angle?
Thank you!

 

[Cruisin911]

The UCAs will depend on how much lift you're running. From the pictures of your height, I'd say get some.

 

[jefo13]

First off, welcome and FINE LOOKING RIG!!
I am willing to bet your Caster needs to be dialed up. Post your alignment results...
I recently had a similar issue, my Caster was too low, the alignment tech had been lazy, once we had a good conversation and resources from this forum (examples of what great looks like w/o UCAs) the tech put in the work and nailed it...

 

[Trukk]

I am on stock uppers. Should I replace them or can that be adjusted?
Thank you

Stage 1 here. 27k miles on it. No upgraded UCA's. My tires got pretty chewed up, and will need to get some new ones prematurely up front from the alignment. Planning to get some SPC UCA's and then new tires.

You aren't going to have any major issues without updating the UCA's, I just epect that not enough caster can get dialed in to make the tires "fit" so additional toe/camber has to be utilized to make that fit happen, which ends up eating the tires.


So get some, but it doesn't need to be immediate.

 

[chefbige09]

First off, welcome and FINE LOOKING RIG!!
I am willing to bet your Caster needs to be dialed up. Post your alignment results...
I recently had a similar issue, my Caster was too low, the alignment tech had been lazy, once we had a good conversation and resources from this forum (examples of what great looks like w/o UCAs) the tech put in the work and nailed it...

 

[chefbige09]

First off, welcome and FINE LOOKING RIG!!
I am willing to bet your Caster needs to be dialed up. Post your alignment results...
I recently had a similar issue, my Caster was too low, the alignment tech had been lazy, once we had a good conversation and resources from this forum (examples of what great looks like w/o UCAs) the tech put in the work and nailed it...

Great! Thanks! Here are the alignment results.

 

[jefo13]

Yeah push caster closer to 3 or at least 2.9... there are some good posts in here about this that helped me

 

[chefbige09]

Stage 1 here. 27k miles on it. No upgraded UCA's. My tires got pretty chewed up, and will need to get some new ones prematurely up front from the alignment. Planning to get some SPC UCA's and then new tires.

You aren't going to have any major issues without updating the UCA's, I just epect that not enough caster can get dialed in to make the tires "fit" so additional toe/camber has to be utilized to make that fit happen, which ends up eating the tires.


So get some, but it doesn't need to be immediate.

Ok thanks for your help!

 

[chefbige09]

Yeah push caster closer to 3 or at least Hugh 2.9... there are some good posts in here about this that helped me

Awesome! Thank you!

 

[bloc]

I do have some tail wag. Do u know where I can find the specs on the correct angle?
Thank you!

I don't, but ultimately to return stock handling you'll have to raise the axle-end of the panhard by the amount of lift you have in the rear. Or lower the frame-end.. but most work on this method is being done on the axle end.

There is even a case to be made for moving the rod end more than the lift, to get the rod level at ride height. Note that if you load down heavy for trips this would then make it angled again, so for every build and use case there is a sweet spot.

Just do some digging on panhard relocation brackets. There is another active thread on this topic at the moment.

But, I agree with the others. You are likely out of the adjustment range for stock UCA's so that is a factor too. But tail-wag is something that people only seem to be aware of lately, and angled panhard rod is the main contributor.

 

[chefbige09]

First off, welcome and FINE LOOKING RIG!!
I am willing to bet your Caster needs to be dialed up. Post your alignment results...
I recently had a similar issue, my Caster was too low, the alignment tech had been lazy, once we had a good conversation and resources from this forum (examples of what great looks like w/o UCAs) the tech put in the work and nailed it...

Great! Thanks here are the alignment results… I appreciate your help.

I do have some tail wag. Do u know where I can find the specs on the correct angle?
Thank you!

Could also be “tail wag” from increased rear panhard rod angle. If so the brand of lift doesn’t matter, just the height in rear.

I just ordered an adjustable panhard bar from total Chaos. Thanks

 

[bloc]

Great! Thanks here are the alignment results… I appreciate your help.


I just ordered an adjustable panhard bar from total Chaos. Thanks

Note that adjustable panhard can center the rear axle, but won't fix the wag. That is a function of the bar no longer being level, and the axle moving side to side as a result when the suspension cycles.

If you conclude that this wag is your issue, keep an eye out for the panhard relocation brackets that will be coming to market soon.

This video does a good job explaining things.