Help me choose a winch

[jediwebdude]

Thanks...I ended up getting a SmittyBilt XRC10 (10,000 lbs) w/ synthetic rope.

 

[Southeast Overland]

I've seen synthetic break and I would definitely say it doesn't "fall to the ground." It doesn't carry the kinetic energy of wire, but it can still hurt you if it breaks under load.
A towel being snapped can break skin, imagine 3-4 times that kinetic force hitting you. You won't lose a limb, but you'll bleed.

People often hook winch line (synthetic or wire) to nylon tree straps which have moderate stretch. Most synthetic lines only stretch a few percent at break where nylon straps stretch in the neighborhood of 10% (all depending on the material). So a low stretch synthetic line can become a moderate stretch system when other parts are involved, then recoil more than it would on its own. Not saying that is what happened in your case, but I see that type of rigging often and while it is not dangerous per se (still safer than using wire), it does change things.

 

[Mace]

I tend to use rigging slings for tree savers. They are designed with no stretch and a healthy safety factor.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

I tend to use rigging slings for tree savers. They are designed with no stretch and a healthy safety factor.

X2 ^^^ The crane outfits that come out to do my critical lifts are always leaving 2, 3, 4, & 6" nylon slings on location. So, I pick them up all over the country little by little. They also, have a pretty tight condition rule for slings these days. A slight fray or anything that might be undesirable is means for them to trash them... But, perfect for our winching needs..

They are very strong and I like that they don't have a "SlingShot" effect to them.

Mine range from 2" x 10'-- 6200# to 6" x 30'--60000#.

J

 

[Southeast Overland]

I tend to use rigging slings for tree savers. They are designed with no stretch and a healthy safety factor.

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They are very strong and I like that they don't have a "SlingShot" effect to them.

Mine range from 2" x 10'-- 6200# to 6" x 30'--60000#.

J

"No stretch"? Lifting slings typically stretch very little at their rated capacity but their rated capacity if far below their average break strength - the rating that off-roaders typically use.

The less strain you put on a strap, and the larger the strap, (think of strain as a percentage of average break strength) the less it will stretch - but they will still stretch. For example - a 2" strap will stretch much more than a 6" strap with the same load - because the load on the 2" strap is a higher percentage of the average break strength than on the 6".

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

"No stretch"? Lifting slings typically stretch very little at their rated capacity but their rated capacity if far below their average break strength - the rating that off-roaders typically use.

The less strain you put on a strap, and the larger the strap, (think of strain as a percentage of average break strength) the less it will stretch - but they will still stretch. For example - a 2" strap will stretch much more than a 6" strap with the same load - because the load on the 2" strap is a higher percentage of the average break strength than on the 6".

I know there are formulas and whatnot for the WLL etc.. ?? divide the break strength by the design factor... Cranes operators have told me the formula before.. I can't remember

All I know is I can take that 6" x 30' strap and pull a stuck 18 wheeler loaded with equipment out of the mud with a D10R CAT dozer all day long. I used that strap 3 days in a row for that purpose. If if can do that.... I'm completely comfortable pulling my 60 out with it or anything else that needs a helping hand on the trail.

J

 

[Southeast Overland]

I know there are formulas and whatnot for the WLL etc.. ?? divide the break strength by the design factor... Cranes operators have told me the formula before.. I can't remember

WLL in the off-road industry can vary from as low as 2:1 or even close to 1:1 on some stock steel winch lines, up to 6:1 on shackles.

All I know is I can take that 6" x 30' strap and pull a stuck 18 wheeler loaded with equipment out of the mud with a D10R CAT dozer all day long. I used that strap 3 days in a row for that purpose. If if can do that.... I'm completely comfortable pulling my 60 out with it or anything else that needs a helping hand on the trail.

J

A 6" strap probably has a breaking strength of around 60k lbs new if the webbing is close to 10k/inch. If it is a two ply strap then double that. The stronger the webbing the less it will stretch in a recovery since the load percentage will be lower. It will still stretch 'some.' Stretch is bad in some cases (winching) but good in others (snatching). I wouldn't recommend snatching a small truck or SUV with a 6" strap b/c it won't stretch much at all and you'll feel that when the strap goes taught.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

WLL in the off-road industry can vary from as low as 2:1 or even close to 1:1 on some stock steel winch lines, up to 6:1 on shackles.



A 6" strap probably has a breaking strength of around 60k lbs new if the webbing is close to 10k/inch. If it is a two ply strap then double that. The stronger the webbing the less it will stretch in a recovery since the load percentage will be lower. It will still stretch 'some.' Stretch is bad in some cases (winching) but good in others (snatching). I wouldn't recommend snatching a small truck or SUV with a 6" strap b/c it won't stretch much at all and you'll feel that when the strap goes taught.

My 6" is a 4-ply and the WLL/rated capacity in pounds per type of pull per the manufacturer are Basket-61200#, Vertical-30,600#, Choker- 24880#.

Like I said, all I know is it can take some serious strain/pull/weight. I'm happy with it.

J

 

[langsmodulus]

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a winch purchase and have it narrowed down to two choices: Engo Winch Model E10000S (ENGO USA E10000lbs Winch with Synthetic Winch Line) from MT just down the way from my house or the Runva 11XP-S 11000 lb (Runva 11XP-S 11000 lb 12v Recovery Winch (Built-in Wireless) Synthetic TopGear Package) shipped from Canada.
They have the same warranty, with the Runva being $50 more but also including a cover, remote, and wireless controller. The Runva is very well regarded all over and is also fully sealed, not sure about the Engo.
What's the opinion of the masses?

[FONT=&quot]I saw this post and liked what I saw in the link. I did notice that if you look up the brand (Runva) on their US site the winches look different and cheaper. Runva are all made in China. The 11XP seems to only be available in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Am I missing something? Why don't We (Americans) get the good ones? Luckily the Canadian site listed above offers free shipping on all winches so $480 for the 11XP with synthetic line.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I like this winch based on what I can find online, BUT I am currently in China dealing with manufacturing issues on machined and fabricated parts. I argued with quality control the other day that they need to actually inspect the parts and not just assume they are good if they fit together. He almost punched me! We left them a $250,000 laser tracker but they refused to buy a digital micrometer (aprox. $100). China products scare me more now than ever. I still swear by my older T-Max 9000# on my mini truck which I was informed is made in China.[/FONT]

 

[Mace]

"No stretch"? Lifting slings typically stretch very little at their rated capacity but their rated capacity if far below their average break strength - the rating that off-roaders typically use.

The less strain you put on a strap, and the larger the strap, (think of strain as a percentage of average break strength) the less it will stretch - but they will still stretch. For example - a 2" strap will stretch much more than a 6" strap with the same load - because the load on the 2" strap is a higher percentage of the average break strength than on the 6".

Which is why I use lifting slings for tree savers. 4" or 6" 4' lifting straps have a stupid load capacity and protect the tree fairly well

 

[se2000]

I am in need of a winch. I have a few uses.
1. to pull vehicles onto my trailer that don't run.
2. To help pull my 2wd PU that may not make up from my back yard if the clay soil is wet
3. To recover some rocks that may weigh up to a ton to landscape said yard.
The truck is 3 tons but the pull weight should be way less than that.
I have yet to find a primer on how much capacity you need.
I'd don't want too big a unit as it will be mounted to a trailer receiver and stored in the truck

 

[3jvj]

What is your price range?

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[se2000]

I'd like to be under $300. I don't need the best, don't want the worst.

 

[Mace]

get an 8K winch and call it good

 

[RTB falcon]

Hi All:

If you are looking for an electric recovery winch for a 80 Series Land Cruiser you need one rated at least 10K. Your rig weighs ~6K just as it left the factory (add bigger tires, heavy bumpers, etc. for more weight.)

The jury is still out on the long-term quality and reliability of these no name import electric winches. For piece of mind while out getting your rig stuck, I'd go with a quality, known brand, like a Warn, Ramsey, or Superwinch.

My US $00.02

Regards,

Alan

I know im late but thats not even close to the weight of the car. Curb weight is 4,700 from the factory. With accessories it might be up to 5k pounds. But a 3 ton factory car is absurd. its not armored.

 

[Mace]

I know im late but thats not even close to the weight of the car. Curb weight is 4,700 from the factory. With accessories it might be up to 5k pounds. But a 3 ton factory car is absurd. its not armored.

It's VERY easy to hit 6K on an 80. It's not absurd at all. Some of the "expedition" guys manage to hit almost 8K.

 

[RTB falcon]

It's VERY easy to hit 6K on an 80. It's not absurd at all. Some of the "expedition" guys manage to hit almost 8K.

Being an owner of an 80 series I would say its not easy. Curb weight is approx 4700. I dont know if thats on a full tank of gas or on empty. But say you have a Warn M12000 winch. Thats 136 pounds. Plus an ARB bumper, approx 200-250 pounds, an expedition roof rack, 200 pounds, sliders, 150 pounds, a rear bumper with tire carrier and swingouts, approx 400 pounds, 50 extra gallons of fuel, 300 pounds, and 100 pounds worth of tools. that still only comes out to 1,536 pounds which barely brings the LC over 6000 pounds. So I have no clue what you could put into an LC to make it weigh 8000 pounds unless you filled the trunk with sand. I mean my weight figures are pretty close. Even a roof top tent is going to be 200 pounds MAX. If you are almost doubling your vehicles curb weight then you are doing something wrong.

 

[Mace]

Being an owner of an 80 series I would say its not easy. Curb weight is approx 4700. I dont know if thats on a full tank of gas or on empty. But say you have a Warn M12000 winch. Thats 136 pounds. Plus an ARB bumper, approx 200-250 pounds, an expedition roof rack, 200 pounds, sliders, 150 pounds, a rear bumper with tire carrier and swingouts, approx 400 pounds, 50 extra gallons of fuel, 300 pounds, and 100 pounds worth of tools. that still only comes out to 1,536 pounds which barely brings the LC over 6000 pounds. So I have no clue what you could put into an LC to make it weigh 8000 pounds unless you filled the trunk with sand. I mean my weight figures are pretty close. Even a roof top tent is going to be 200 pounds MAX. If you are almost doubling your vehicles curb weight then you are doing something wrong.

Curb weight is dry weight so empty.

You just easily added up a bunch of things that easily push the 80 over 6K (which apparently is absurd)

4760+1536=6296 Can we round up to 6,300 lbs..

Add bigger tires, a couple people, food, luggage, spare parts, and I think you get my point. I know it seems like a lot, but it is far from absurd.

 

[RTB falcon]

I would say 6k pounds is a number that most do not reach. So to go back to the original point I was trying to make, someone said that he needed at least a 10,000 pound winch. Thats huge overkill for the likely weight of the LC. To even get a 6000 pound cruiser you better have a lot of extra dough laying around.

 

[Mace]

You do realize that the general rule of thumb is that you multiply your truck weight by 1.5 to 2 when picking a winch right?

9 or 10K winch is about perfect for a 80. Having too much winch is generally not a problem. Having too small of a winch when you need it sucks.