HDJ with out the turbo?

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Thanks rob, ...on that website there are 2 hdj's priced at around11,000...... seems pretty cool... could get an hdj (or i guess its an hzj) around my price range..then in the future add a turbo to it ...

is that reasonable??

hzj is still a good engine no? good mileage...enough power to pull that truck around alberta and bc mountains..?
 
A non-turbo diesel is only 1/2 an engine!! I drove my '82 BJ60 for 15 years without a turbo. The turbo is like a new truck! I can't imagine not having a turbo.

If you're familiar with the Coquihalla from Kelowna up the connector, pre-turbo it was a 60kph 3rd gear hill, post turbo it's a 90kph 4th gear hill!
 
snowking said:
Hey Colin, I am not sure which unit you are looking at , However in the hdj do come with turbo and the hzj 's are non-turbo;) Hope that helps.
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this is one of the trucks from that site...
1990 Toyota Landcruiser VX-LTD
4.0L 4WD
Automatic
Dark blue grey
170,000 km's
No major accident history
Power steering
Power windows
Air conditioner
Sunroof
Roof carrier
Rear ladder
Aftermarket wheels
Current speedo reads 27,000km, a new cluster was put in at 143,000km
Service records exist from 1997 - 2005, servicing was carried out by a Toyota dealership
More photos are available - please ask
... priced at 650,000 yen FOB .. around $10,600 landed excluding registration costs
 
:D

Hill:

EFI means gaspot...not even a diesel;
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And the valve cover doesn't look like a diesel one that I recognize...also mass air flow sensor on the can looks like gasser.
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Funny thing is I hear that gassers are sold more at a premium over there than diesels because of Japan's high emissions standards in their cities. Don't know if that's really true or not.
 
I maybe wrong but I was told that all the engines are 1HD now,I guess that means they are running the same bearings,pistons ect with or wthout turbo
 
hill said:
hzj is still a good engine no? good mileage...enough power to pull that truck around alberta and bc mountains..?
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You will do a bit more gear changing in a 1HZ but it wont bog down anything like a 3B OR 2H.
If you can keep the 1HZ in it powerband its like my old unsmogged 3F. Im not sure what it will be like at high altitude.
IMO its the best NA diesel you can get .
They need the inj pump set up right to get the most out of them
 
1HZ is a really good engine .. and if you buy a TLC with it .. and turbo intercooler setup give to you more than 50 HP ..
 
so that truck isnt even a diesel...thats a dam shame.. LOL
 
roscoFJ73 said:
I maybe wrong but I was told that all the engines are 1HD now,I guess that means they are running the same bearings,pistons ect with or wthout turbo
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The crank and BEbearings are the same...but IDI vs DI and high compression vs low compression pistions mean there are differences with the 1HZ vs the 1HD-T or FT or FTE. The PZ however shares pistons with the HZ.

hth's

gb
 
cruiser_guy said:
A non-turbo diesel is only 1/2 an engine!! I drove my '82 BJ60 for 15 years without a turbo. The turbo is like a new truck! I can't imagine not having a turbo.
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It may be 1/2 an engine, but there are places where 1/2 an engine is better. It depends on your use and location.

gb
 
Greg_B said:
It may be 1/2 an engine, but there are places where 1/2 an engine is better. It depends on your use and location.

gb
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No arguement from me! I'd take a naturally aspirated diesel over a gasser any day! If there is lots of elevation variation then a turbo is definitely a big plus as the naturally aspirated diesel is very much affected by the thinner air at elevation.

My '82 BJ60 was a dog in Mexico City (approx. 8000ft.) in '02 when we drove through before I got the turbo. After getting the turbo even the highpoint on the Interamericana Highway (13,650ft.) here in Guatemala was not an issue.
 
Greg_B said:
It may be 1/2 an engine, but there are places where 1/2 an engine is better. It depends on your use and location.

gb
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care to expand on this thought?
 
crushers said:
care to expand on this thought?
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A turbo really really helps a naturally aspirated engine at elevation as Charles points out. If one was traveling the world, and much would be away from everything...not having a turbo is one less thing to go wrong. It is a bit of this and that for logic on both sides, however to my mind there is a reason Toyota still offers naturally aspirated engines for remote areas in the world.

gb
 
Greg_B said:
A turbo really really helps a naturally aspirated engine at elevation as Charles points out. If one was traveling the world, and much would be away from everything...not having a turbo is one less thing to go wrong. It is a bit of this and that for logic on both sides, however to my mind there is a reason Toyota still offers naturally aspirated engines for remote areas in the world.

gb
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It's a fact that places like where I am are scarce in mechs that know and understand the turbo or the computer cars. For such we must go to the big shops where there will probably be at least one person who is reasonably knowledgeable. However that condition changes with time and the knowledge does spread.

For myself, if I truly had to, I could live without the turbo but it's really better to have than to not have. The performance difference is there regardless that the non turbo can probably make it to most of the places that turbo gets you. Turbo power is more comfort driving than non turbo simply because for essentially the same displacement and weight, you have more power and therefore a lighter foot on the skinny.



Kalawang
 
Greg_B said:
A turbo really really helps a naturally aspirated engine at elevation as Charles points out. If one was traveling the world, and much would be away from everything...not having a turbo is one less thing to go wrong. It is a bit of this and that for logic on both sides, however to my mind there is a reason Toyota still offers naturally aspirated engines for remote areas in the world.

gb
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Greg, living here in one of those places where naturally aspirated diesels are still offered I have opinions on why that is. Here in Guatemala your car/truck is not broken or in need of repair unless it will NOT move!! Preventative maintenance is not a commonly held concept. With a turbo as you know, it is important to allow the turbo to cool prior to shutdown and it's important to have a sufficiently high quality of oil changed at appropriate intervals. Those sort of things are not done here in Guatemala or in other similar countries thus leading to the belief that turbos are unreliable.
Personally I would not want to have a non-turbo diesel here because of the altitude and the numerous hills but I do proper maintenance and operating procedures so I'm not concerned.
 
hill said:
this is one of the trucks from that site...
1990 Toyota Landcruiser VX-LTD
4.0L 4WD
Automatic
Dark blue grey
170,000 km's
No major accident history
Power steering
Power windows
Air conditioner
Sunroof
Roof carrier
Rear ladder
Aftermarket wheels
Current speedo reads 27,000km, a new cluster was put in at 143,000km
Service records exist from 1997 - 2005, servicing was carried out by a Toyota dealership
More photos are available - please ask
... priced at 650,000 yen FOB .. around $10,600 landed excluding registration costs
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It says right in the add... 4.0L... that would be the 3FE gas engine.
 
also the turbo adds to the purchase price by quite a bit. A simplier IDI engine is considerably cheaper????NO?
 
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