full floater with hub caps- open or closed

[peteinjp]

I have a FF on the way and also am ordering a set of hub caps from Mike. Will I need the rear caps to be open to fit over the rear hubs or will the closed style fit? I figure there are probably more trucks with FF axles in this section....

Best!

Pete

 

[madams557]

I have a FF on the way and also am ordering a set of hub caps from Mike. Will I need the rear caps to be open to fit over the rear hubs or will the closed style fit? I figure there are probably more trucks with FF axles in this section....

Best!

Pete

Closed hub caps work. I had them on my 1978 FJ45 LPB with FF rear. They fit perfectly. No worries.

 

[Living in the Past]

If your talking aboutthe old hub caps being reproduced I serious doubt they will fit the FF axle. I have seen the later style hub caps used on the front with lock out hubs and they fit. The early hubs caps barely cleared the drive plates, Noway would they work with lock hubs. To be honest I won't use the early hubs caps if you weren't at least able to use them on one axle showing the stamped T. But that's just my opinion. I do have a 45 and a couple of FF axles one of which will be used on the 45 and if any hub caps go on they will be the later style.

 

[67azcruizr]

definitely will NOT fit, the early style caps barely fit over drive plates.

 

[Awl_TEQ]

Okay - just for clarity - a new style solid cap will fit over a FF hub?


I want new caps and was going to buy 4 with holes but the solid look better.

 

[67azcruizr]

Okay - just for clarity - a new style solid cap will fit over a FF hub?

yup, later style caps will fit over a FF hub

 

[peteinjp]

Hmmm- now I have to decide if I want the cable locker or the vintage closed caps. Think I'll stick with the cable locker..... because I do get stuck from time to time.

Well I'm still gonna pick up a set of caps anyway..... for the next one.

Thanks guys-


Pete

 

[Living in the Past]

Okay - just for clarity - a new style solid cap will fit over a FF hub?


I want new caps and was going to buy 4 with holes but the solid look better.

yup, later style caps will fit over a FF hub

This brings up a interesting point. I have read a couple of times they wouldn't. Have the FF and the disc brake wheels. Problem is they aren't in the same town. Do know that when I tried to use drum brake wheels on the FF they didn't seat all the way against drum. This was pre 8/80 FF with the heavy duty brakes. I also have the 8/80 and later FF which appears to have the same drum brakes asteh 60 series. So the question is do the hub caps work with one style and not the other. This may explain the reason for two different answers to the same question. I might have a loose disc brake wheel with hub cap clips I could bring back to town in a couple of weeks. But until then I'm not sure what's what.

 

[67azcruizr]

Will I need the rear caps to be open to fit over the rear hubs or will the closed style fit? Pete

you will definitely need the "open style" for the early caps.

with the later caps, "closed style will work.

Do know that when I tried to use drum brake wheels on the FF they didn't seat all the way against drum. This was pre 8/80 FF with the heavy duty brakes. I also have the 8/80 and later FF which appears to have the same drum brakes asteh 60 series. So the question is do the hub caps work with one style and not the other. This may explain the reason for two different answers to the same question.

John, you are over analyzing/complicating the original question.

what two different answers are you referring to?


peteinjp, here is something concrete that might help you. the early (acorn style) hubcap has a depth of 2 3/8" conservatively, measuring from the edge of a 2 1/8" radius drawn on the inside of the hubcap (loosely representing a 4 1/4" FF hub diameter).

just for the record, the later style caps probably have at least a 2" additional cavity. I don't see why they would not work with any of the variations of FF axles. I have personally seen later style caps on FF axled rigs. maybe someone could post up the depth of the later caps.

your variables may be style of FF (disc or drum, late or early) and 15" or 16" rims.

I wouldn't buy the caps until I had the axle and rims in hand, unless like you stated, you'd be using them on something else in the event they didn't fit the FF



hth's

 

[nuclearlemon]

This brings up a interesting point. I have read a couple of times they wouldn't. Have the FF and the disc brake wheels. Problem is they aren't in the same town. Do know that when I tried to use drum brake wheels on the FF they didn't seat all the way against drum. This was pre 8/80 FF with the heavy duty brakes. I also have the 8/80 and later FF which appears to have the same drum brakes asteh 60 series. So the question is do the hub caps work with one style and not the other. This may explain the reason for two different answers to the same question. I might have a loose disc brake wheel with hub cap clips I could bring back to town in a couple of weeks. But until then I'm not sure what's what.

are you talking about the actual rims themselves? because the thread is about the hub caps, which don't seat against the drum. there were shallower versions of the later style hub caps too.

 

[Living in the Past]

John, you are over analyzing/complicating the original question.

what two different answers are you referring to?

I answered the original question in my original post. That one was simple. It wouldn't work with any FF. In post #9 you told Awl_TEQ the later style closed will work. Heard otherwise. Might be a good place to clear it up.

are you talking about the actual rims themselves? because the thread is about the hub caps, which don't seat against the drum. there were shallower versions of the later style hub caps too.

The two answers I'm talking about is I've read yes and no to if the later hub caps will fit a FF axle.



The point I was making is that Toyota made more than one type of wheel for the 40 series there are more then one type of FF Toyota used on the 40 series. Just because something came on a 40 series that doesn't mean it will fit every 40 series. Was the FF ever offered in a market with 15" hub cap wheels? Do we have part numbers to confirm what will work? I would just like to see if the hub caps work with the two different FF axles before I say for sure it will work. You say they fit and I've read here on mud that they wouldn't. Two different axles may explain this. I don't know. Just wondering why some say they wouldn't work.

As to the later hub caps coming in two different sizes, that is something I hadn't heard before. But wouldn't surprise me.

I guess I was just trying to be helpful. Would hate to have someone buy something only to find out it wouldn't work. Then have to say oh you have a diiferent axle than me. I have both axles and hubs caps here just don't have a 15" disc wheel available to do a test fit. I also don't know was there more than just the two styles of FF? Did the earlier one come with lighter duty brakes?


Post #151 here https://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-seri...er-hubcap-not-available-soon-available-8.html This is not the first time I read a statement like this

 

[nuclearlemon]

here are a couple of shots of "new" style fronts in different heights and styles.