afgman786
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I've used the factory loops to recover a Tundra no problem.. I believe the loop coming forward would be the tow hook and the one facing straight down is for tie down.
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Factory bolts are too short to use on the Trail Tailor points (probably the same with ARB). Jason offers Grade 8 SS bolts as an option, or you can source them yourself. I believe Grade 8 is stronger than the factory bolts...
ARB recovery points also come with longer, upgraded bolts.
The factory tow point could fail in several ways. First, the bolts themselves could shear. The aftermarket points come with stronger bolts.
Second, the weld from the hoop to the plates could fail. The aftermarket points are all one piece and are much thicker and stronger.
Third, the bolts could shear through the thin plates. The aftermarket recovery points are much, much thicker and there is no way that failure mode could happen.
I don’t know which of these possible failure modes is controlling. I suspect all of them are relatively unlikely, but my factory tow points didn’t look all that great in terms of rust. I figure replacing them was relatively cheap insurance, as a broken recovery point could result in a really bad day. YMMV.
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Oh I agree. I think the thick single piece ones with better bolts is a good way to go. The "Upgraded " hooks on the previous page still look welded, hence my comments. Personally i don'h have a horse in the race, my hooks are off and I'll be using the recovery points on my bumper.
CharlieS
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I could be wrong, but years ago I took a welding class and the instructor told us that a proper weld is as strong or stronger than the base material. I wouldn't worry about that weld failing. I bet the bolts give long before that...
They are currently sold out, but these would be my first choice.
200 Series Front Tow Mounts
Toyota Land Cruiser 200 Series Laser cut 5/8" Grade 70 steel Standard 1" hole is laser cut and accommodates steel shackles Also available is CNC mill radiused 1" hole with smooth finish to accommodate soft shackles, such as Bubba GatorJaw Sold in pairs, available in bare metal or red powdercoat
www.trail-tailor.com
They should fit. Good idea to tap into the higher volume tundra market. Can’t judge it til you see it . . . No real info in the add
Yep. I have a pair still solid after a couple yearsThey are currently sold out, but these would be my first choice.
200 Series Front Tow Mounts
Toyota Land Cruiser 200 Series Laser cut 5/8" Grade 70 steel Standard 1" hole is laser cut and accommodates steel shackles Also available is CNC mill radiused 1" hole with smooth finish to accommodate soft shackles, such as Bubba GatorJaw Sold in pairs, available in bare metal or red powdercoatwww.trail-tailor.com
They rounded up from 10.9?
if true then stock bolt (assuming 10.9) is equivalent to Grade 8 bolt, which is as good as it gets. No need to upgrade.
bloc
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Personally I would not want stainless mounting hardware. It is much more prone to thread galling than a proper carbon steel bolt.. and often the coatings on those are good enough to prevent corrosion issues.
Also going bananas with hardware grade only has limited effectiveness. The weld-nuts in the frame surely aren't very high grade, so you can't use all the torque that a high-grade bolt would allow. A better bolt would offer more shear strength (usually), but if you don't have any more clamping force, this only matters if the system comes loose and is resisting shear with the bolt itself. If you are that far gone, the system is ****ed anyway.
Stock grade bolts tightened to factory torque in the factory inserts should be more than enough in this setup. If it weren't, ARB would have done one of the complicated bracket systems they do for their other rated recovery point products to distribute the load.
To me the tundra system looks weaker. Not the hook itself, but in the 200 setup, the middle tie-down part acts as a huge washer to more solidly hold the central bracket of the recovery hook flat against the frame and keep it from deforming & tearing. In both of these hooks I can imagine the relatively thin central part being what breaks before the hoop or weld.
No, this is a marking system toyota has used for decades. I'm trying to find my PDF to decode it. Either way I'm pretty sure it's not a particularly high-grade bolt.
Also going bananas with hardware grade only has limited effectiveness. The weld-nuts in the frame surely aren't very high grade, so you can't use all the torque that a high-grade bolt would allow. A better bolt would offer more shear strength (usually), but if you don't have any more clamping force, this only matters if the system comes loose and is resisting shear with the bolt itself. If you are that far gone, the system is ****ed anyway.
Stock grade bolts tightened to factory torque in the factory inserts should be more than enough in this setup. If it weren't, ARB would have done one of the complicated bracket systems they do for their other rated recovery point products to distribute the load.
To me the tundra system looks weaker. Not the hook itself, but in the 200 setup, the middle tie-down part acts as a huge washer to more solidly hold the central bracket of the recovery hook flat against the frame and keep it from deforming & tearing. In both of these hooks I can imagine the relatively thin central part being what breaks before the hoop or weld.
No, this is a marking system toyota has used for decades. I'm trying to find my PDF to decode it. Either way I'm pretty sure it's not a particularly high-grade bolt.
bloc
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Edit: Appears to be class 11T. Aka strong.
If someone wants to compare toyota's torque chart to the same thing for standard metric fasteners be my guest
For the nuts
If someone wants to compare toyota's torque chart to the same thing for standard metric fasteners be my guest
For the nuts
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RET2
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Opinions abound but has anyone actually had the factory points fail and if so what were the conditions? Asking for a friend of course. 
bloc
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Edit: new info
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bloc
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Opinions abound but has anyone actually had the factory points fail and if so what were the conditions? Asking for a friend of course.
That is the real question.
RET2
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Perhaps unanswered by those that wish to sell us "upgrades"
