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FJ-60 brakeing upgrade

Discussion in '60-Series Wagons' started by mep1811, Feb 21, 2004.

  1. mep1811

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    I have a 1985 FJ-60 and would like to increase the braking ability. I have upgraded the pads and shoes. Has anyone heard of any upgrades to the master cylinder or booster? Thanks Mike
    Mike El Paso, TLCA 8009
    1985 FJ-60, OME HD, Rare STOUT bumpers,sliders,roof rack, 40 gallon tank and
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  2. Mike S

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    Mike, I am interested in your experience with pulling the trailer, and with the Overcamp tent.

    Is the braking upgrade needed due to the demands of the trailer?

    I am building a similar set up, but my trailer is a lighter weight scratch built M416 style with a front hinged aluminium top hatch. I am considering both the Overcamp and the various hardtop models from the same manufacturer.

    Mike
     
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    Mike,

    I'm not familiar with the setup on a FJ60. Would a minitruck V6 upgrade work? This involves the V6 booster which is larger, a 1" brake master, and bigger calipers. I've done this to both my 85 mini's. Stock mc on the mini is 13/16" and is stamped on the side of the mc. It was all bolt on.
     
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    What pads and shoes did you upgrade to? Did you go bigger calipers, or just some hi-quality after market ones? I'm no expert, but I've been researchin' brake upgrades for a couple weeks now and I think if you haven't done either already, you should look into doing bigger front calipers and a rear disc swap. Be a good idea to upgrade to a larger master cylinder as well. And if your trailer is gettin' pretty heavy, you might want to look into trailer brakes, though I don't see an M416 gettin' very heavy, but I guess it's always possible.

    I've heard good info about doing the bigger calipers up front from a 4runner (found in the tech links or at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/beanz2dt/index.html--but it seems to be down right now...). Upgrades the stock LC caliper from a 35mm and 28 mm (IIRC) pistons to two 40 mm pistons and bigger pads.

    And if you still have drums in the rear--get rid of 'em. Find a disc conversion that will work for you. There's tons of info in the tech links on disc brake swaps. Most of them don't keep a park brake, but a few places sell a rear disc conversion kit and you can get park brake calipers as an option. Try TSM, SOR, Downey, MAF, and there's probably a few more places too. Kinda spendy though.

    -Ferg-
     
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    The 4 runner calipers are the way to go. Rear disc are nice but not all that for the time and money involved.
     
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    I upgraded the pads and shoes with some Austrailian parts from MAF. I did find a increase in the braking. I am looking for something better. Pulling the trailer does affect the braking. I an hesitant to change to rear disks as I'd perfer to try to keep the running gear stock. A bigger master cylinder and booster would most likly do the trick but from what other vehicle ? I would like something that would be a bolt on.

    For Mike S. I really like the Overcamp tent. It only takes up half the space of other rooftop tents so you have more roof rack space.
     
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    [quote author=dd113 link=board=1;threadid=11859;start=msg108457#msg108457 date=1077428539]
    The 4 runner calipers are the way to go. Rear disc are nice but not all that for the time and money involved.
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    What year 4runner
     
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    [quote author=wildman4wheeler link=board=1;threadid=11859;start=msg108765#msg108765 date=1077507137]
    What year 4runner
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    In Dave's article that talks about the 4Runer caliper upgrade, he uses a '92 4Runner caliper. So that would atleast be 1990-95 if there were no changes during that Generation of 4Runner. Which would be a Gen. 2 I believe, don't know if the other Gen's calipers are the same either...

    http://mywebpage.netscape.com/beanz2dt/index.html

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    Is the adjustable proportioning valve needed on the 62's?

    That Wilwood one looks nice.
     
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    [quote author=wildman4wheeler link=board=1;threadid=11859;start=msg108765#msg108765 date=1077507137]
    What year 4runner
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    I think the range is 1991-1996. To be safe I just ask for a 1992 V6 4Runner.

    Dave
     
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    [quote author=TOZOVR link=board=1;threadid=11859;start=msg116034#msg116034 date=1078534627]
    Is the adjustable proportioning valve needed on the 62's?

    That Wilwood one looks nice.
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    If you are putting bigger brakes up front, I would think a prop valve is not needed.

    I've had those MAF conversion kit Wilwoods in my hands. The pistons are much smaller than the 4Runner pistons and the brake pads are about the same size as in the cruiser disk brake axles.

    Just pondering here: I'm sure you can get a much bigger Wilwood race caliper and use a custom adapter or mount to use it on the cruiser knuckle. Maybe use a larger diameter 6-lug disk rotor such as from an 80 series or some flavor of newer Chevy trucks. Check Speedway.com for the calipers...

    Dave
     
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    On my 60 I have DBA sloted rotors and Axxis Metal Master pads, it stopes VERY well.

    FWIW fj60's have no LSVP(proportioning valve) fj62's do.

    MAF has a pair of Powerstop Sloted rotors on sale right now for $100 for the pair......might check those out.

    I have have found no need or desire for rear disc brakes.

    Make sure you rear drums are adjusted thats a good place to start.

    I can't see any benifit to changing the booster or master on a fj60, unless going to rear disc........maybe.
     
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    I'm with Landpimp on this one..... the DBA slotted rotors are a great upgrade and I am using some Bendix Metal King pads. New shoes and Silicone brake fluid also help.... and a place called Hoppers SToppers here in Australia now offers street legal braided steel brake lines, great advantage over rubber lines, no swelling or changing of brake pedal height.... Just my Aussie 2cents worth.....
     
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    [quote author=Landpimp link=board=1;threadid=11859;start=msg116283#msg116283 date=1078587427]
    FWIW fj60's have no LSVP(proportioning valve) fj62's do.
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    So would that mean that the Wilwood unit would be extraneouse on a 62, but not a 60 if one went to rear discs?

    My big reason for discs out back is straight up serviceability. Here in New England with the muck and spoodge, drums die quick.

    RJ
     
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    Mike:

    The MAF stuff seems to be the easiest to install and most people seem to like it. I pull a 1,200 pop-up with my 60 and even with 33s it stops fairly well, as long as I plan ahead a little.

    As for rear disks, no one I know that has done the converison is satisfied. Keep in mind too that rear brakes do fairly little actual stopping (maybe 10%) - they're really for directional control while braking which is why they showed up on sports cars first. Not worth the effort and money on a 60 - my .02.
     
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