Fed Up! Too much smoke!

[BreckenridgeCruiser]

Actually, I knew this would happen...

My BJ44 with the 2B blows way too much smoke, even on the easy hills at my altitude. I have searched and asked about Alt adjustments and uniformly got the advice to turbo the truck... Decision made. Now, since I know I need to turbo it, where do I go from here.

I am looking to add a turbo and at the same time add the pyro, boost guage and tach. I am pretty much not driving the truck due to the fear up burning it up.

So.... Which turbo kit to buy... I have priced out the Turboglide kit (with non-water cooled Garrett) and the AXT kit with the water cooled Garrett.

Do I need the water as well as oil cooling? How about intercooling? Has anyone installed either of these kits and had any problems? What should I avoid/make sure of before i buy and install?

Thanks all... you have been a great help to a newbie!

Kraig

P.S. I have searched, but I just wanted to get specific advice as I want to set and forget...

 

[Island Moose]

Nobody help this guy until he finally tells us what the heck the Y-knob is for!!


https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=109349


Seriously, I'm eternally 1/2 way to getting a turbo on the 3B, and I think I'm just going to get a kit and save the headache. You can get a Turboglide kit for about $2500 CDN, comes with everything you need less pyrometer. Turboglide DOES offer water cooling as an option.

No need to water-cool a turbo on a diesel, though I suppose it would cut down on cool-down time, you could conceivably just shut-down after parking.

Intercooling is complex (chiefly finding one that fits and a place to put it), and not really necessary...but like water-cooling, if you have the time and money, why not.

 

[brownbear]

First off, back off the fuel, see the other thread for my explaination( the temp thread).
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=111216

If your blowing black smoke its unused fuel anyhow, so your not loosing power. Back it off till you don't see any smoke. Yah it'll be sacked, just like a 3B at altitude. But your engine will be happier.


Later down the road get your turbo, but your still at high altiude, so back off the fuel. It works!

 

[BreckenridgeCruiser]

As a note... The Y knob is in the place for fogs and plugs into the stock harness. I don't have any but as the truck is with a diesel mechanic, I can't really do any major wire tracing on it. I am planning on restoring next summer and dipping the body and frame. When I do that I will be checking through all of the harness and electrical systems.

I am going to back the fuel down, but even so, I want to try to turbo it ASAP. Everything I hear about wear on the engine (at this altitude) and heat generated, etc. is pushing this up.

I appreciate everyone's help. So is TurboGlide a reputable company? How much difference is there between their kit and the AXT (there is about a $500-700 USD difference).

Thanks!

Kraig

 

[wesintl]

In intercooler on that engine at our altitude will do nothing to performance. It will add some longevity to the engine and that's about it.

Personally I think you'll be fine with an oil only garrett.

FWIW with proper fuel adjustment you won't blow smoke up there. I don't blow a whole lot up there but I adjusted my fuel for denver 5500ft vs. 9,600 in Breck.

 

[Jan-78FJ40]

As a note... The Y knob is in the place for fogs and plugs into the stock harness. I don't have any but as the truck is with a diesel mechanic, I can't really do any major wire tracing on it. I am planning on restoring next summer and dipping the body and frame. When I do that I will be checking through all of the harness and electrical systems.

I am going to back the fuel down, but even so, I want to try to turbo it ASAP. Everything I hear about wear on the engine (at this altitude) and heat generated, etc. is pushing this up.

I appreciate everyone's help. So is TurboGlide a reputable company? How much difference is there between their kit and the AXT (there is about a $500-700 USD difference).

Thanks!

Kraig

Turbo glide is well represented in australia, and people like their turbos well.
I installed one on a 2H engine, and it is very well made and very high quality. They ship fast, and the install is not complicated.
Here in the US the difference is substantial-I got my turbo glide kit 2300US$ shipped, the AXT would have been well over 1000$ more.

The turbo is ported for watercooling, if you want to add that. However, they swear it is not required, and most trucks in australia run without it. Also, if you choose to watercool, they wave the warranty.

One word of caution: The kit is developed for a right hand drive vehicle, so on a LHD the brake booster can be in the way a bit. For the 2H this is not really a problem, just a pain, since you have to take the booster off to get the manifold on.

Install is about 5 hours, I'd say. Then of course you need the gages, that is a lot of work.

hth
Jan

 

[BreckenridgeCruiser]

Cool, My truck is RHD!

They quoted me $2100 US shipped. I think I might pull the trigger. I really want to make sure it's dialed in for winter here and I know with the trubo it should start a little better.

Last Question... is ball bearing worth the expense?

Wesintl, do you know how to adjust the linear pumps? I could really use some help! I am planning on trying to make it down for the next Rising Sun meeting...

Kraig

 

[wesintl]

yeah. I can help. If you post a pic of the pump we can point you to the screw that needs to be turned

BB is better than bushings.

Just let me know anytime. I'm always willing to help in the evening if you bring it down, before or after the meeting. I might even make it up there soon as I need to pick up a sand blaster at my buddy's

 

[Tapage]

Turbo glide is well represented in australia, and people like their turbos well.
I installed one on a 2H engine, and it is very well made and very high quality. They ship fast, and the install is not complicated.
Here in the US the difference is substantial-I got my turbo glide kit 2300US$ shipped, the AXT would have been well over 1000$ more.

The turbo is ported for watercooling, if you want to add that. However, they swear it is not required, and most trucks in australia run without it. Also, if you choose to watercool, they wave the warranty.

One word of caution: The kit is developed for a right hand drive vehicle, so on a LHD the brake booster can be in the way a bit. For the 2H this is not really a problem, just a pain, since you have to take the booster off to get the manifold on.

Install is about 5 hours, I'd say. Then of course you need the gages, that is a lot of work.

hth
Jan

The only experience that I have with a turbo kit was with Turbo Glide .. and is awesome good and simple .. clear directions to install and setup your pump ( in our inline pump cases )

 

[cruiser_guy]

I prefer water cooling as well. In Guatemala I frequently run at altitude and that seems to get the temps up. Not as bad as with no turbo but they still seem to get up there. I can't imagine oil being happy going into a turbo that is HOT. At least with water cooling it's got the coolant helping take the heat away as well.
I've got the AXT kit on my '82 BJ60, what I believe to be a Volvo turbo (with oil and water on it) on my daughters FJ55 with the 3B in it and I'll be looking for another oil and water cooled turbo for the FJ45LV and the 3B that it now has as well.