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AnyMal

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Hey fellas, need a bit of your advice here please.

I recently took my 2017 LX to its last (thankfully) free dealer service at 65k miles.
I know and trust the advisor and tech although they failed to work with me in the beginning and they generally take good care of the truck since.
This last service seemed ok at first although they torqued my wheels off center but here is where i messed up by trusting them...

My rear camera hydrophobic coating was worn off ever since i bought my truck, probably due to car washes or aggressive polishing wheel at some point.
Since the rear neg pressure zone hugs dust, any amount of moisture always stuck everything and made a blurry mess of the rear view.
Seeing as i have one more year of full warranty, if have odds and ends i try to get it done with the dealer at every visit.
This time i asked for it to be replaced, only due to knowing full well it was a 2 bolt 15 min job they could surely not **** up, and risk minimal damage.
Well, I guess not...

The first drive out with the new camera, i noticed it was not calibrated at all, and viewing angle was off;

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Ok, fine, I looked into the FSM and there sure enough is a procedure on it that must be done when replaced.
I can try when i have a moment and im sure they skipped it as "skilled" as they are working on a single brand...
No big deal. Im better at doing this sort of thing myself anyway as I've adopted and adjusted thousands of IP cameras...

Next drive however i go over to see my baby niece across town. A 30 min drive at 75 MPH. Here comes the fun part.
Upon leaving that night, the car wont start... battery is dead.
Ok, sure I thought i had battery issues a couple months ago and topped it off and its been perfect since. Must be an old battery.
So i jump the car with no issue and try to back up out of their garage and would you look at that!
It just so happens the rear camera has gone dark, and ONLY the rear camera and is giving a caution symbol!

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So now im pissed off.
Not that i may have to buy a new battery (which i will make the dealer do) but because i take METICULOUS care of this truck (and all my things).
The last thing i want is some electrical gremlin to chase down for the next decade or two of ownership.
That is honestly the one and only thing ive been concerned about in owning this truck long term from a reliability standpoint.
I think some of you know me by now and were it not for dependability, id be in a RR or something german with 600HP.
So yes, im a bit pissed off.

Im gonna take apart the panel and take a look at this camera before i contact the dealer tomorrow and see to two things:
1) is there any type of nonsense involved (obvious crimp short, contamination short)
2) is the camera the CORRECT part? (hoping its stamped but will have dealer send me the info before i even hint of a problem)

So hence why im asking for advice here.
It does seem there are two variants of camera that could be what is causing this issue but id like to know what further issues it could induce.
Im fairly certain my SALE date was OCT 2017, so it def needs the highlighted part # and if i had to bet, id say they put in the newest one.
That part actually hits for my year on my dealer source website whereas the 60061 is accepted.

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I just want to understand how a camera could cause something like this, or what sort larger issues putting in a wrong electrical component could cause.
How can i check for anything other than scanning codes? Does anyone have similar experience and advice or deal with something like this?
Somehow it worked again after a restart at home but i haven't done any more testing since last night.

I know this may seem trivial to some but i don't like people playing on my truck. ima keeps it real. 😂
But seriously this just cannot be a coincidence, and i dont believe in such a thing anyway.
Specially after taking a longer journey than i typically do at highway speeds and nothing else has changed at all with the truck but this.
I would rather have my engine explode in my face than wonder if some board got zapped that will haunt me forever and is impossible to figure out.
Sorry for the long winded post, Im not trying to be a dick and im generally a very easy going guy but this is the worst type of issue to have IMO.

I am no gear-head in the automotive sense of the word but i completely understand you guys who never even take a new vehicle to them despite saving maybe even $1000 in the first couple years. Ive shared some dealer frustrations before but i just dont see the point anymore. The annoying part is my dealer would not take parts back to exchange under warranty unless they pulled, booked, and did the work. Even when i showed them my cracked rear spring. It's the labor they want to bill through to corporate. This is also why I'm not just going to buy a battery and then beg for them to reimburse me. Im gonna order a deka though still... 2 week lead time.
 
I would

  • Disconnect your battery for like 30 minutes
  • Reconnect your battery
  • Give your dealer a chance to fix it if that doesn’t work

When the truck wakes up from a long battery disconnect it will reinitialize all of the modules on the CANBUS network.


Now can we get back to arguing about how complicated EVs are compared to these trucks 🙃
 
Build date should be on your door plate. Use that for parts sourcing.
They shouldn’t have had to do anything but unplug it and plug in the new one.
While you’re looking for issues, might want to check it they broke any hatch trim pieces.
 
I would

  • Disconnect your battery for like 30 minutes
  • Reconnect your battery
  • Give your dealer a chance to fix it if that doesn’t work

When the truck wakes up from a long battery disconnect it will reinitialize all of the modules on the CANBUS network.


Now can we get back to arguing about how complicated EVs are compared to these trucks 🙃

Hah, are cars getting more complicated or are people getting increasingly incompetent? Some juicy proof coming in a minute. Im beyond dumbfounded by this dealer experience…
 
Build date should be on your door plate. Use that for parts sourcing.
They shouldn’t have had to do anything but unplug it and plug in the new one.
While you’re looking for issues, might want to check it they broke any hatch trim pieces.

Oh its much better than that! Give me a moment.
 
Alright boys, i took it apart and shockingly, this is the right part. Further testing and fresh battery aside, here is the lovely Lexus Dealers handywork!!!!!!!!

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What monkey did this i wonder? Im not even sure how you would fix this. Its not a trim piece, its the ****ing hatch. Bent and scratched to s*** for a ****ING 5 MINUTE JOB.

NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER TAKE YOUR CAR TO THE INCOMPETENT AND FRAUDULENT SCAM THAT IS A DEALERSHIP. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CLOWNS NEITHER KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR HAVE ANY SKILL, EDUCATION OR KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER. I DONT EVEN CARE WHICH ONE OF YOU MUD MEMBERS MAY BE INVOLVED WITH THEM, CHANGE YOUR LIFE. EVERY ****ING DAY WE HEAR MORE PATHETIC STORIES FROM CRIMINALLY DUMB AND NEGLIGENT DEALERS.

**** man, i just wanted to enjoy my weekend with my wife while were not busy for once. Now what? What can I even ask for?!?
 
Something I learned quickly from dealer service experiences: If you want something done right, do it yourself. Even if it is no longer free.
 
Free dealer service. No thanks. Only way my 21 is going to a dealer is for a legit warranty claim. Competence is in short supply in todays society. Sorry for incompetence on display with your last dealer trip. There has to be some legit independent shops In Austin
 
Wtf did they use a pry bar?

2 body clips bro. 2. $2. Thats what it would have cost to tear out and replace the body clip even if you didnt want to use the right tool and mask off the area.
This "person" or more accurately animal, clearly neither understood what a body clip was, or had any sense or problem solving skill whatsoever.
Did they bother to check the 1/4 page of pictorial instructions of how to actually take it apart?0
No, of course not. Thats above their reading level and general comprehension.

I honestly don't even know what to say to my service advisor tomorrow.
Give me a new rear hatch? And whos going to install it exactly? Them? LOL
Have some hack job try to "repair" it? The dent isn't going to be taken out at the corner seam.
The only possibility i can think of is some half assed sanding and s***ty paint dabs.

All this was going to do was rust a hole through the body would i not have trusted my intuition and looked behind the curtain.
I don't even know dude. What would you do?

Something I learned quickly from dealer service experiences: If you want something done right, do it yourself. Even if it is no longer free.

Ive always followed that advice, and thought this was so dumb simple and straight forward that it couldn't possibly be ****ed up.
When i had a headrest replaced, i did it myself actually on site. Like i mentioned in my og comment, they would not give me a camera swap in hand.
No, they needed to bill Lexus for a 30-60 minute job which of course i will make sure they do not get to claim on.
Clearly now that is definitely going to cost them a lot more.
I dont let s*** just go and ask the next guy if he wants a turn.
I will literally escalate it to an obscene degree if they want to play any games whatsoever.
I just dont know how i can even possibly be compensated for this? Take it to a body shop and have an estimate i guess...
 
Build date should be on your door plate. Use that for parts sourcing.
They shouldn’t have had to do anything but unplug it and plug in the new one.
While you’re looking for issues, might want to check it they broke any hatch trim pieces.

Looks like you win today brother. Maybe place a bet on the game with this sort of hunch...
 
I think you need to name the dealer so that the rest of us are able to avoid this ****ery. Sorry to hear about your troubles.
 
I think you need to name the dealer so that the rest of us are able to avoid this f***ery. Sorry to hear about your troubles.

Gladly.
Lexus of Lakeway.
But they are all the same to me. Hence why i didnt even think it worth naming.

Im gonna try to figure out what may have been the issue and what killed the battery since it is miraculously the right part number.
I just dont know why it would be the only thing to fail after the jump last night. All other views were normal. Everything else functioning.
I have pulled it and will ask for a replacement obviously as i don't trust it anymore.
This is my main concern now and im clueless as to how that chain of events may have been linked, but they are clearly related.
It would be some kind of fluke for that to be the only thing acting up on the drive home.
But then it came back on afterwards in my garage...
Exactly my worst nightmare, intermittent electrical issue. I am not risking plugging it back in.
I have the wherewith-all and decade of experience troubleshooting complex systems, you don't plug s*** like that back in.
 
Could just be happenstance on the battery. They do fail out of nowhere. Did you get a cell test on the dead one?
 
Could just be happenstance on the battery. They do fail out of nowhere. Did you get a cell test on the dead one?

No, i left the truck idling at O'reily and just went straight home to install the new one.
We had a bunch of "fun-errands" planned. So we made the most of the day.

It does say 84 month warranty on the side. It's a Lexus branded OEM.
 
Wow, they have really positive reviews, surprising. I can say that the dealer in the arboretum isn't any better.
 
Wow, they have really positive reviews, surprising. I can say that the dealer in the arboretum isn't any better.

I have learned long ago reviews mean absolutely nothing. Seldom are they actually casting negative light. You know, this same pervasive notion that everything has to be good if we just squint and believe hard enough? Lol

Specially with food though, im a big eater and i just look at the pictures since I can cook quite well and I know what quality looks like. Oh and amazon, where they switch the listing and pay for reviews.
 
Most review writers don’t notice the difference as long as the staff is friendly, the coffee hot, and the bathrooms clean. Doesn’t mean s*** about their ability to actually repair a vehicle.

Even in this case you likely wouldn’t have noticed the mangled mount if they ordered the correct part.
 
I have learned long ago reviews mean absolutely nothing. Seldom are they actually casting negative light. You know, this same pervasive notion that everything has to be good if we just squint and believe hard enough? Lol

Specially with food though, im a big eater and i just look at the pictures since I can cook quite well and I know what quality looks like. Oh and amazon, where they switch the listing and pay for reviews.

True, just highlighting that their crap work has gone unnoticed so far by most. I don't think that dealer was there back when I still lived there.
 
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