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Discussion in '80-Series Tech' started by T Y L E R, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. T Y L E R

    T Y L E R

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    [glow=black,2,2]Hey ,

    I'm curious how you guys feel about driving in snowy conditions on the street . Slush and 3-4" of fresh snow ....

    To be honest , I can't seem to really find a comfort zone in the stuff anymore . If I drive like a granny , sure . However it I want to be a 'lil more assertive , the 80 slides all over . I actually experience way more 'control' driving one of my ambulances ... I can play those things like no ones business ::) :p

    My 80 has 2 yr old 315 BFG AT KO's . Good tread left .. 45 PSI approx . So wtf ?? On the trails ... dirt trails I can fly . I can go into 90° corners at 80 kmh ! But I can't even accelerate thru a left hand turn in the 80 in snow without feeling like I'm going to almost loose it . Talk about embarrasing too .. sliding along it the beefy latte-mobile :-[

    I was wondering if this was a normal experience . Is it the full-time 4WD that I'm grappling with ? Perhaps if I got the cetre diff switch .. would that improve anything in these conditions ?

    Appreciate any input .... *shrugging* ... Seems I never really had these worries before . It's probably that I'm used to driving a rear wheel drive at work ... used to the ass kicking out a certain way .. and in the 80 .. I simply slide forwards/sideways under the same gas . It's the sideways slide that is pissing me off ...[/glow]

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    ginericLC Wagon Wheeler! SILVER Star

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    It is tire width. I have the same issues. I get in one Land Cruiser with 265 highway tires and I'm golden in the snow. Get in the other Cruiser with 35x12.50 MTs and I'm all over the place.
     
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    Gumby Supamod Staff Member s-Moderator

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    Yaaaaaay! It's your tires! Yaaaaaaaaay! My AT/s rock in the snow! Yaaaaaay!
     
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    Gumby Supamod Staff Member s-Moderator

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    45 psi is about 13 pounds more than Toyota reccomends as well. Not to start that whole thread again. :p
     
  5. T Y L E R

    T Y L E R

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    [glow=black,2,2]Yaaaaaaaaay ! I like that song .. Yaaaaaaaay ! :D

    Generic , I think it's more the MT aspect of the two than the width . Not discounting width as a factor though ...

    Gumby , does the recommended pressure apply to a 315 ? Or does it's boundary of influence end with stock size ??? huh ?

    Yaaaaaaay ! I can take 2 friends to the movies .. Yaaaaaaaaay !! :p[/glow]

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  6. Hltoppr

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    T,

    I think the nail has been hit on the head. With a wide tire width, you're essentially floating on top of the slush and snow....hydroplaning. Swap into a set of 33x10.5s or metric equivalent in the winter and you'll be golden.

    How come medics always drive like crazy!? I'm so used to calling out "clear right" when I'm riding shotgun it makes me ill!

    You and Skeddy should have a race...but beware...he cut his teeth testing ambulances in the "hood" in Los Angeles, so he can drive like a nut AND dodge bullets at the same time. All while wearing body armor! :eek: ::)

    -H-
     
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    [quote author=Hltoppr link=board=2;threadid=13322;start=msg123207#msg123207 date=1079625024]
    I'm so used to calling out "clear right" when I'm riding shotgun it makes me ill!
    -H-
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    And I'm so used to hearing it :D

    T- my stock FZJ with 265/75/16 AT type tires seemed to do well in the icy and slushy conditions we had for a couple weeks this winter.
     
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    [glow=black,2,2]Thanks guys ,

    So far it sounds as though it's the tires .... although guys like Landtank had great success in the snow with his new 315 Procomp XTerrains ... *shrugging* .. I dunnoooo

    PS : I used to get a kick out of the fact that I slowly trained my ex-wife to call out 'clearrr right !' . ;)[/glow]

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    I started having real control issues with my BFG KOs. The pro comps on the other hand have been great. In that slushy kind of stuff the tread on the BFGs just packs in and doesn't clean themselves and your basically driving on slicks. Had a storm the last few days and my wifes 4Runner has BFG KOs on it. Drove like s***! It's the tread design as far as I can see coupled with the stiffer side wall which won't conform to the road surface as well as a stock tire reducing the effectiveness of the contact patch area.

    I think tires like the X-Terrains, MTRs and such over come there stiffness by chewing through the snow/slush with a clean tread.
     
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    Tire, vehicle weight, the way you drive.
    I just got Bridgestone Dueler AT REVOs and unbeliveable in snow and ice.
    LC is almost 6000lbs.
    99% of the vehicle stuck in the ditch is SUVs(Surprise surprise) according to the Hazardous road survey fro MNDOT. People think SUVs are like tank and slideproof when it come sto snow and ice. Slow down. Respect other drivers.
     
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    [glow=black,2,2]LT ,

    Thanx for your input as well . I knew when I reflected on the fact that you had good luck with the same width tire as myself , that there was more to it than that ....

    BTW , I have a question for you based on your experience with the Procomp XTerrains .... I have my local shop getting pricing for me on some 35x13.5R18 Mickey Thompson Baja Claw Radials . They 'seem' to have a similar tread to your Procomps .... is there any way you can assess whether they might perform similarly to your Xterrains ?

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    Click on the above pic for the tech page link ..

    Thanx ![/glow]

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    The X-Terrains are fully siped which goes along way with traction. It doesn't look like those are siped and there is no mention about siping in the description.
     
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    [glow=black,2,2]Siping ; good point . Wierd how that little groove will have that effect . I remember Junk or someone talking about siping their own tires with a home made jig I think . I wonder if that could be a possibility to guys with various tires ?[/glow]
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    [quote author=MNCruiser link=board=2;threadid=13322;start=msg123249#msg123249 date=1079629472]
    I just got Bridgestone Dueler AT REVOs and unbeliveable in snow and ice.
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    I have the REVO's in a 285/75-16 and agree they are awesome in the snow. I haven't used the T/A KO's but I thought they would be just as good or better in the snow since they carry the "snowflake on the mountain" rating.

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    T, I have a heat knife with several thicknesses of blades if you ever want to borrow it. Could send it up to ya. Nothing like burnt rubber smell to get ya going.
     
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    FYI- some tire shops will sipe the tires for you, when I got new tires for one of my old cars they charged ~$5-10 per tire to do it.
     
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    Don't know where you are located but I know that Discount Tire Company does tire siping...but I don't know what it runs.
     
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    [glow=black,2,2]Junk , lemme guess ... you tested that knife in your local Radio Shack :D :D Generous offer too ... I'll let you know :cheers:

    I'll ask my local shop here in Ontario if they'll sipe .. that would be nice . Found some sweet 18" wheels to go with that rubber ..... now if I could only clean up the stock alloys before I trade everything in ???[/glow]

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    Surprised no one has commented yet on the CDL.

    I run the BFG ATs and don't experience any of the slop you're talking about...I keep them about 35 psi though. But as an added bonus, I do notice a huge difference in traction once the CDL is engaged.
     
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    Maybe but once the CDL is on No ABS. I like my ABS in the white grease.