Ok I now have 100% brand spankin new 4 wheel drums. new master cylinder, 8 new slaves, new booster. When you pump the brakes once or twice and then hit them its stops like you'd think it had disks. Without a pump it still stops but theres not a whole lot left in the pedal and its a much slower stop. This started after I replaced the rear brake line. I have tried bleeding the rear twice starting at the wheel furthest from the MC. The front my mechanic bled and nothing has been changed there, so there should be no need to bleed it. Any suggestions? Now I am thinking I will live with it until I take it to my mechanics for rearend work at which point I will get him to help me with the brakes since hes much better than I. When I am bleeding the rear there is no air bubbles or any gunk coming out, the brake fluid looks nearly new. I am sick of pumping the brakes when they are 100% new. And please don't say do a disk conversion, I am planning on one eventually but not till after some other stuff. Any ideas? ???