Compiled 80 series suspension component spec thread... shocks, coils & more. (9 Viewers)

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I couldn't really find anyone who had done a premium-ish 0" suspension replacement with this combo so here goes...
My lx450 is largely unmodified with stock 275 tires. It not really a DD, but I use it around town for driving to work once in a while and taking the kids places. On camping or motorcycling weekends it gets 6 people, FULL of gear, and a 3,000lb trailer to tow so I have had Firestone airbags in it for 100K miles on the stock springs in Tokico shocks which had been delivering a terrible ride, especially on the highway where a concrete pavement induced resonant shock would jar the whole vehicle around with a front-to-back vibration. It was quite unpleasant and caused car sickness in the 3rd row. I would typically fill the air bags with up to 15 psi, depending on load to support the rear end as the stock LX springs were very tired and soft.

Replacement suspension was Dobinson's 0" lift progressive springs (my wife loves the green) paired Icon 2.0 non-res shocks for 0-3" application. The installation was uneventful except the lower shock bolt on both sides sheared and cost me 2 hours each of extraction time. Next time I'll just jump straight to welding on a nut as soon as the bolt breaks. I retained the air bags, not knowing if I'd need them and I don't remember where I put the rear bump stops.🤔
The first couple hundred miles I was questioning if I screwed up. The ride was pretty rough on the road and only on a good g-out could I tell that there was an improvement. This last weekend we loaded up with 6 people, a moderate amount of gear, and a trailer with 6 motorcycles to go ride. I think the extra weight helped to cycle the suspension and break in the shocks because now it rides a lot smoother and is almost nice. Why almost? I should have done the sway bar bushings. With the shocks now tight the sway REALLY stands out transitioning into a corner. Next up is a full bushing replacement. The stance is 1" high in rear because I forgot that I had put 1" spacers in the rear and they stuck to the coil bucket. Without the spacers it would be level. With the trailer attached and 3 psi in the air bag the rear end squatted 1".

Other thoughts... The suspension rebound in the rear is a little too fast. Maybe exacerbated by the air bags, but I've never found any car to have a slow enough suspension rebound that I'm happy with when the trail gets fun. The Icon is better but it still rebounds too quick.
Going through some g-outs with a heavy load and 3 psi in the 'bags it was bit wallowy.
I don't think I'll need the air bags anymore because the progressive coils only sank about an inch with the trailer. They are staying for now. Occasionally we load up really heavy for a big trip so the air bags might get used then.
There's a lot more down travel available with the Icon shocks. I plan to get swaybar drop brackets for the rear to access some of that travel. I think the front will require brake line extensions at the same time as sway bar brackets.

Overall I'm happy with it but I'll be happier when the sway bar bushings are done. I might have been just as please if I had used Tokico shocks again but then I'd never know about the Icons.

Update: I ran some rough roads over the mountains and the slow speed bump compliance is nothing special. Where these shocks SHINE is on washboard roads. I ran some roads that usually rattle the truck pretty hard and the new Icons it was SO MUCH SMOOTHER especially pushing it up over 30 mph. No rattle in dash or doors like before. I could feel the vibration in my seat, but it was a huge difference in ride quality. My wife barely noticed that we were on washboard roads.
 
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Hey I don’t know a lot about these figures but attached is my alignment print out. It seems good?? Looking for some feedback. Dobinson 3 inch lift with delta 3” radius arms. Nitto 315/75/16 Recon Grapplers. Still need to put on arb bumper back on and need a rear bumper drill. Truck is unloaded in photo.

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Hey I don’t know a lot about these figures but attached is my alignment print out. It seems good?? Looking for some feedback. Dobinson 3 inch lift with delta 3” radius arms. Nitto 315/75/16 Recon Grapplers. Still need to put on arb bumper back on and need a rear bumper drill. Truck is unloaded in photo.

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How did they adjustment the camber?
 
it should've been adjusted by the delta radius arms
That adjust caster not camber. That tiny of a change is likely from the slip in the alignment head. 2.7 caster Anit bad. 3 is preferred.
 
Great thread here guys, still reading through 28 pages worth but great info!

Newer 80 owner here, have had the 94 in my avi for about 8 months now. Running 35s and looking to get to 3" lift, properly, wheeling, adventuring, and crawling (I hate the word overlanding) but still have decent road manners. This is not a DD, but I do drive it 2+ days a week. I should probably start a build thread to document my idiocy.

I am currently running 850 front coils with 30mm spacer, slee plates and J shocks. PO had installed 851s and caster bushings. I replaced all RA bushings with factory rubber. Ride is good, flex is eh (see avi pic, hanging front tire) but my tie rod contact the radius arms from about 1/3 droop on - not good. I am actually looking for more down travel - I found this on post #54 interesting:
One benefit I can see is that the narrower wire allows for a higher free height for a given ride height. That allows you to run lots of down travel at a low ride height. (I believe that's why you get 24" free heights for the Slinky and Dobinson taper 3" kits while only getting 21" for the Icon 3”)

The rear currently has 860 coils from the PO, about 25K miles on them. Putting a GGM passenger side carrier on the rear and will be building a platform and probably carry 200# in tools and parts when adventuring/wheeling - rear suspension needs to be setup once I know what my static/rolling rear weight will be.

Once I settle on the rear setup (was thinking 863 coils) I will be looking for new shocks all around. Might have Radflow tune a set of 2.5 resi-shocks for me, or find a 2.0 non-res that fits my use case. This is not a dedicated crawler, but I want it to be able to crawl, also not triple locked lol

I'm pretty sure I will stick with 35s and am tuning bump stops now. I would have just thrown a 1" body lift on it but I have a low garage ceiling issue...

Going back to read the rest of this thread, here's a pic of my turd and I on Miller Heep Trail

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Great thread here guys, still reading through 28 pages worth but great info!

Newer 80 owner here, have had the 94 in my avi for about 8 months now. Running 35s and looking to get to 3" lift, properly, wheeling, adventuring, and crawling (I hate the word overlanding) but still have decent road manners. This is not a DD, but I do drive it 2+ days a week. I should probably start a build thread to document my idiocy.

I am currently running 850 front coils with 30mm spacer, slee plates and J shocks. PO had installed 851s and caster bushings. I replaced all RA bushings with factory rubber. Ride is good, flex is eh (see avi pic, hanging front tire) but my tie rod contact the radius arms from about 1/3 droop on - not good. I am actually looking for more down travel - I found this on post #54 interesting:


The rear currently has 860 coils from the PO, about 25K miles on them. Putting a GGM passenger side carrier on the rear and will be building a platform and probably carry 200# in tools and parts when adventuring/wheeling - rear suspension needs to be setup once I know what my static/rolling rear weight will be.

Once I settle on the rear setup (was thinking 863 coils) I will be looking for new shocks all around. Might have Radflow tune a set of 2.5 resi-shocks for me, or find a 2.0 non-res that fits my use case. This is not a dedicated crawler, but I want it to be able to crawl, also not triple locked lol

I'm pretty sure I will stick with 35s and am tuning bump stops now. I would have just thrown a 1" body lift on it but I have a low garage ceiling issue...

Going back to read the rest of this thread, here's a pic of my turd and I on Miller Heep Trail

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I have 850/860’s with 30mm spacer in the front. But normal ome shocks. I want to do the L’s cause from what I understand. Much longer than that stress’s brackets and the arms bind anyway.
But being open open also. Tires touching ground gets you threw. So im torn.
 
Hello everyone,
Trying to do something a bit different than most. Asking for advice and contributing a little
Car is a GCC FZJ80 spec (dual tanks, spare tire carrier, PTO winch/York OBA) removed the 2nd/3rd row seats so it's lighter than stock which is the main issue.
In Kuwait there is no rock crawling, just a flat desert with a LOT of man made ruts/washboard/washouts so a trying to make it into a light prerunner - so need longer or more useful travel than stock.

Installed Chinese triple bypass in the front (26.7 inch extended - 10. 5 inch travel - 16.2 inch closed) on king ktfs-69b springs (around 480mm free coil length) didn't work as the coils fall out. It's highly unlikely ill ever flex it but 🤷🏽. Installed factory springs (480mm) and 60mm of spacers - semms good but not ideal obviously.
Haven't ordered rear 3.0 bypass zhocks yet as Im unsure what length works.

Chinese are saying 665m extended length with 256mm travel should be good - equates to 26.2 inch open 16.1 closed and 10 inch travel which is similar to King's 0-2 inch rear lift. Already have OME 866 rear coils but definitely will not work. Too short and too high a spring rate - most ill ever load in the back is 250lbs or so but with the 2nd/3rd row seats removed + 35" on the rear spare carrier that should be even to 100-150?lbs over stock?

Question is what coils should I use for front and back that will stay captive using 26.1-26.7 inch extended length shocks?
All other examples are for heavy trucks which obviously won't work with what im trying to do

I have my eyes on King KTFR-69C and KTRR-70C.
KTFR-69C is 175lb/in spring rate 515mm/525mm total free length.
Ktrr-70c is 150/250lb/in spring rate with
510/520mm free length.
Would they work?
There is another option that is the free height length is 20mm shorter. Would that be a better option and use spacers to level the ride?
Any help is appreciated.

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Hello everyone,
Trying to do something a bit different than most. Asking for advice and contributing a little
Car is a GCC FZJ80 spec (dual tanks, spare tire carrier, PTO winch/York OBA) removed the 2nd/3rd row seats so it's lighter than stock which is the main issue.
In Kuwait there is no rock crawling, just a flat desert with a LOT of man made ruts/washboard/washouts so a trying to make it into a light prerunner - so need longer or more useful travel than stock.

Installed Chinese triple bypass in the front (26.7 inch extended - 10. 5 inch travel - 16.2 inch closed) on king ktfs-69b springs (around 480mm free coil length) didn't work as the coils fall out. It's highly unlikely ill ever flex it but 🤷🏽. Installed factory springs (480mm) and 60mm of spacers - semms good but not ideal obviously.
Haven't ordered rear 3.0 bypass zhocks yet as Im unsure what length works.

Chinese are saying 665m extended length with 256mm travel should be good - equates to 26.2 inch open 16.1 closed and 10 inch travel which is similar to King's 0-2 inch rear lift. Already have OME 866 rear coils but definitely will not work. Too short and too high a spring rate - most ill ever load in the back is 250lbs or so but with the 2nd/3rd row seats removed + 35" on the rear spare carrier that should be even to 100-150?lbs over stock?

Question is what coils should I use for front and back that will stay captive using 26.1-26.7 inch extended length shocks?
All other examples are for heavy trucks which obviously won't work with what im trying to do

I have my eyes on King KTFR-69C and KTRR-70C.
KTFR-69C is 175lb/in spring rate 515mm/525mm total free length.
Ktrr-70c is 150/250lb/in spring rate with
510/520mm free length.
Would they work?
There is another option that is the free height length is 20mm shorter. Would that be a better option and use spacers to level the ride?
Any help is appreciated.

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I'd be looking for a medium rate tapered dual rate coil spring. The tapered coils will stay captured when fully extended and won't fall out. The medium rate options are probably limited to Dobinson or Icon in the current market. The Icon coils are best suited for lighter rigs so it could be a good option and will provide about 3" of lift, plenty to fit 35" tires.
 
I'd be looking for a medium rate tapered dual rate coil spring. The tapered coils will stay captured when fully extended and won't fall out. The medium rate options are probably limited to Dobinson or Icon in the current market. The Icon coils are best suited for lighter rigs so it could be a good option and will provide about 3" of lift, plenty to fit 35" tires.
Thank you for your reply.
Problem is finding someone that will ship internationally.

I imagine these are what you suggested?
 
Thank you for your reply.
Problem is finding someone that will ship internationally.

I imagine these are what you suggested?
Those are probably the correct springs. Take a look at this post from the first page of this thread that has more information on the Icon parts.
 
Those are probably the correct springs. Take a look at this post from the first page of this thread that has more information on the Icon parts.
Many thanks for your generous help. Problem is im on the other side of the globe and couldn't find anyone that shops Icon/Slinky stuff Internationally. Contacted Dobinson and will see what they have to say.

Now onto contributing something

Car has no rear 2nd /3rd row seats, factory pto winch + York oba
Previously had factory winch springs + 6cm of spacers which gave a 54-55cm hub to fender .

Got king ktfs-69c springs from australia a week ago and installed them two days ago and it resulted in the same 54-55cm hub to fender with no spacers which is what I wanted - equals a 2inch or 45mm lift or so. Ride is pretty much same as factory springs.
Rear OME 866 coils (yes 100/200/300 series landcruiser coils work on 80 series - all same at the back and im pretty sure the shocks are the same just different lengths ) is equal to a 2" lift (55cm hub to flare) on an empty no 2nd/3rd row seat FZJ80 with a 35" D range tire on rear oem spare tire carrier
Not recommended as they will sag quickly upon any load.
 
Eibach springs specs for those wondering. I didn't see them listed on the pages that I checked on this thread.
The following information was received through Eibach directly

My experience has been that the Eibach springs are a more comfortable ride than the OME on my Sequoia. Currently running 2851 and 2860 OME on my 80. Eibach on order.

Eibach front springs

Model E30-82-085-01-20 80 series
Spring Rate 175lbs/in
Bar Diameter 15.75mm
Free height 544mm/21.42"

Eibach rear springs

Model E30-086-01-02 100 series -
Spring Rate 150lb/in
Bar Diameter 16 1/4mm
Free height 531mm/20.9"

Model E30-82-085-01-02 80 series
Rate 200lb/in
Bar 17 1/4mm
Height 487mm/19.17"

Model E30-82-085-02-02 80 series heavy duty
Rate 250lb/in
Bar 18 1/4mm
Height 491mm/19.33"
 
I didn't know Eibach had different spring rates for the rear. Good to know. Thanks
 
Dobinson
Dist through Apex Overland , Land Cruiser Heaven & Dobinson USA & more.

Dobinson carries several types of coils Linear, Flexi and Tapered in many lift heights.
Charts
Dobinson Catalogue Toyota is on page 34
Dobinson linear coil specification chart

Specs for newer updated VT coils:
Here is a good resource link.
Dobinson reports that stock height is 20" front & 21" rear
(Folks have reported back heavy loaded 23 to 23.5" lightly loaded 24 to 25" hub to flare measurements)

2.5" front C97-146VT (23.43/23.82") 18mm wire @15.5 turns, 140/220/290# rate
2" rear C97-147VT (21.06/21.46") 19mm wire @10.4 turns, 160/215/285# rate

(Folks have reported back heavy loaded 24 to 25" lightly loaded 25 to 26 hub to flare measurements)
3.5" front C97-144VT (23.82/24.21) 18mm wire @13.5 turns, 140/200/290# rate
3" rear C97-145VT (21.06/21.46") 20mm wire @10.2 turns, 180/270/340# rate


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2.5" Tapered lift
(Loaded 80s are netting 23" Center of hub to bottom of flare with the 2.5" coils)
2.5" front C97-146VT (The 4" or 6" lift shocks suit the 2.5" Tapered front)
2" rear C97-147VT (The 4" lift shocks suit the 2" Tapered rear coil)

3.5" Tapered lift
(Loaded 80s are netting 24" Center of hub to bottom of flare with the 3.5" coils)
Dobinson 3.5" Tapered vs 4" Flexi
Going from OME 50mm to Dobinson 3.5" Tapered Coils: What All Is Needed?
3.5" front C97-144VT (The 4" to 6" lift shock suit the 3.5" Tapered front coil)
3" rear C97-145VT (The 4" lift shock suit the 3" Tapered rear coil best)

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Variable rate stock height replacement coils
Stock height suspension options - Dobinson
Stock height variable rate suspension review
Front C59-210V - 160-239lbs - 475/485mm (18.7/19.09")
Rear C59-221V - 166-239lbs - 460/470mm (18.11/18.5")


1.5" Dual Variable Rate 40mm lift
C59-220V ~160-239lbs ~ 495/505mm (19.49/19.88")
C59-269V ~ 160-239lbs ~ 480/490mm (18.89/19.29")


2" Dual Variable Rate 50mm
Front C59-222V ~ 182-239lbs ~ 525/515mm (20.67/20.27")
Rear C59-223V ~ 160-264lbs ~ 445/455mm (17.52/17.91")


3" Flexi
Dobinson 3 inch Flexi coil review
Dobinson 3 inch Flexi Coil Review Pt.2
(The 3" or 4" lift shocks suit the 3" Flexi coil)
Front C59-612V
Rear C59-613V


4" Flexi
(The 4" or 6" lift shocks suit the 4" Flexi coil)
Front C59-614V
Rear C59-615V


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Dobinson Yellow Shocks
(Rec BS= Recommended Back Space)

0"-3" lift shocks
GS59-683 Front 14.56" - 24.72"
GS59-682 Rear 15.03" - 24.80"
4" lift shocks
GS45-912 front 15.35" - 26.37"
(Rec BS .5")
GS59-687 rear 16.02" - 26.77" (Rec BS 2")
6" lift shocks
GS59-684 front - 16.53" -28.66"
(Rec BS 1.5")
GS59-685 rear - 17.00" - 28.74" (Rec BS 3")

Yellow shock Bump Stop Recommendation
(As per David Otero @ Dobinson)
4" lift shocks:
GS45-912 needs about .5" of bump stop extension with a minimum of 525mm/20.67" coil length
GS59-687 needs 2” of bump ext. with a 505mm/19.88" minimum coil free height to stay trapped
6" lift shocks:
GS59-684 needs about 1.5” bump stop spacing with a minimum coil length of 570mm/22.44"
GS59-685 needs a 3” extension and minimum of approx 555mm/21.85" coil length to stay trapped
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The 4" lift Dobinson yellows are a bit longer than a OME real L shock.
(Hmm... Also notice there is a little play room to stack additional washers to change shock length)
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I have been told the Dobinson yellow shocks are softer on compression & slower on rebound compared to the OME L shocks.
OME versus Dobinson shocks
Installed rear 4" lift shocks

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Dobi MRR shocks
Front: MR59-60682 - 2.5" Shock body / 1" Piston rod / Progressive valving / Remote res.
Rear: MR59-60683 - 2.5" Shock body / 1" Piston rod / Progressive valving / Remote res.
Front right
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Rear right
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Below is a set of 3.5" Tapered fronts.
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3" Flexi rear vs. OME 863
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3" Flexi fronts vs OME 850J
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Dobinson 4" Flexi Coils

@Nay added these comments in post #92:
Hopefully adding something useful this time. First @GW Nugget is right - the color scheme is meant to be:

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It’s like adding teenage girl nail polish to toxic sea foam.

Second, the free height of the 4” Flexi rear coils is almost 23” - that spec was missing in the original post. Having seen the rears in person now I have also ordered the fronts.

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@Nay added these comments in post #139
Dobinson’s front 4” Flexi installed. This coil is shorter than the rear, about 22.5” free height. Way more coil than the front can use in any case - I dropped the whole front end on both sides to the stretch point of the brake line, leveraged out the old coil with a 4’ bar and kick method, and then used compressors again for the Flexi.

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As compared to the FOR Gen II it replaces.

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I’ve picked up about an inch of lift at all four corners. I’m right about 25.5 hub to fender (no flares), wrapped around the tire. I’ll measure more carefully tomorrow in the daylight.

Ride quality for my relatively light rig with the Fox 2.0 remote reservoir shocks is outstanding. The front feels pretty much the same outside of what I think was some coil damage from my accident - the front driver’s got torqued pretty good with frame bend and a bent radius arm and it had lost about a half inch of height.

It’s the rear that feels like it has more control - there is a lot of extra coil and it feels extremely well dialed. This seems a shift in rear coil design philosophy, more than just “longer shock”.

Definitely a clean 4-4.5” lift and seems very well thought out and executed. My 37’s are going to look a little bit small now. The coil color, OTOH, is perfect.
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Pic of the stock replacement variable rate coil C59-210V
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Stock height variable rate suspension review
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Stock height coils
Stock height variable rate suspension review
Front Coils
C59-210V - Standard height, stock load - variable rate (best riding option)
C59-174 - Standard height, stock load - linear rate
C59-168 - Standard height +15mm lift (0.6"), with 250LB load (bumper and winch) - linear rate. Picks up the front a bit taller than stock with the heavy load to reduce some rake front to rear
Rear Coils
C59-221V - Standard height, stock load - variable rate (best riding option)
C59-243 - Standard height, stock load - linear rate
C59-169 - Standard height, heavy load with 300LB load (rear bumper, etc) - linear rate.
Front Shocks
GS59-683 - Heavy duty twin tube nitro gas shocks - For 0-3" of lift
SD59-824 - Heavy duty big bore steering damper with new fittings - works with or without lift
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Dobinson full 80 series coil listing
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Convert mm to inches
Millimeters to Inches (mm to in) conversion calculator
Many years later and Dobinsons have finally come out with bump stop extensions to run with the 4" and 6" length shocks they offer. Hopefully this info can be added into the Dobinsons info thread I've replied to here.

BS59-608 - Dobinsons 80 Series Front Bump Stop Extensions Kit (1.0-2.0 in)
BS59-609 - Dobinsons 80 Series Rear Bump Stop Extensions Kit (1.0-2.0 in)
Both sets are in stock and available now from ExitOffroad.com. Click the product heading just above to go right there.

Both sets have the same main features and benefits:
  • Suits all Toyota Land Cruiser 80 Series from 1990 to 1997
  • 1″ (25mm) extensions stackable up to two per spot for a total of 2″ (50mm) of thickness
  • Durable Solid Steel Spacers
  • Sold as a Kit for inner and outer rear bump stops
  • The inner goes inside the coil spring on the inner bump stop
  • The outer goes between the mount and the bump stop on the frame
  • Space down your bump stops to prevent shock bottom outs at full compression
  • Keep your tires out of your fenders if they’re oversized by spacing down the bump stops
  • General bump stop extension guidelines (will vary based on brand of shocks and bump stops used)
    • Dobinsons 0-3″ lift shocks: Extensions are not necessary, unless running oversized tires
    • Dobinsons 4-5″ lift shocks: Front needs about .5″ of bump stop extension, rear needs 2” of bump extension
    • Dobinsons 6″ lift shocks: Front needs about 1.5” bump stop extension, rear needs a 3” extension or 2″ extension with extended length bump stops

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New - Is anyone running this spring setup on their stock body 80? I'm just curious how much higher my 80 will sit compared to my current spring combo below.

OME 863, 2.5", 200-440lbs rear (250 lbs/in, 480 490mm)
OME 850, 2.5", 110-250lbs front (220 lbs/in, 495 505mm)

Current - I'm sitting at ~2.25" lift on my stock body 80

OME 860, 2.5", 0-200lbs rear (220 lbs/in, 480 490mm)
OME 851, 2.5", 0-110lbs front (220 lbs/in, 475 485mm)
 
New - Is anyone running this spring setup on their stock body 80? I'm just curious how much higher my 80 will sit compared to my current spring combo below.

OME 863, 2.5", 200-440lbs rear (250 lbs/in, 480 490mm)
OME 850, 2.5", 110-250lbs front (220 lbs/in, 495 505mm)

Current - I'm sitting at ~2.25" lift on my stock body 80

OME 860, 2.5", 0-200lbs rear (220 lbs/in, 480 490mm)
OME 851, 2.5", 0-110lbs front (220 lbs/in, 475 485mm)
i'm running that combo (850front / 863 rear), pic is not too clear but should give you an idea. Or are you running this and thinking of 860/851?
I have dual drawers in the back & a fridge so should give an idea of how it sits

mind you these springs have been in for just over 20 years and havent sagged at all. Shocks on the other hand Im replacing tonight as the rears (N74E) have minimal compression resistance & dead spots in them!


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Hey all, I got a lot of great info from this thread and I recently installed some new springs on my 95 so I thought I'd share my before and after measurements and pics:
Springs- Dobinson C59-220v in front and C59-269v in the rear. The springs that were removed were presumably the factory originals with 273k miles. I have the third row seats removed, the running boards removed, the rear bumper end caps removed, and no weight to speak of added on just for a reference weight-wise; gas tank 1/2 full.

Measurements Before and after(center hub to bottom of fender with fender flare removed):
Driver Front: 20-1/4"---> 22-1/4"
Passenger Front: 19-7/8"---> 22-1/4"
Driver Rear: 21-1/8"---> 22-1/2"
Passenger Rear: 21-3/4"---> 23"

Shocks are Fox 2.0s which I put on before the new springs. Ride quality is GREATLY improved. When I bought this 80 about six weeks ago it was apparent 1 or more shocks were shot. The thing rode like a boat. Replacing the shocks helped but the springs made a huge difference is ride quality and handling. The ride is firmer but not harsh at all and roll is less pronounced. The pic from the driver side is with the new springs, the pic from pass side is with old springs, and the pic driver side with old wheels is how she looked when I bought it. The new tires are 285/75/16s for reference.

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Recently bought Dobinsons C97-146VT and C97-147VT coils. The original post on this thread listed dimensions that do not match what I received. Some people have spoken of a "version 1" of these coils, which I assume matches the old dimensions. The coils do not, by my measurements, vary in width but remain consistent: 16mm front and 17mm rear.
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Pic with part numbers for reference:

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Here are the OEM coils (taken off 1997 LC 80 series with 244k miles). By my measurements for C97-146VT and C97-147VT:

Front Left Dobinsons: 23.5"
Front Right Dobinsons: 23.25"
Rear Left Dobinsons: 21.875"
Rear Right Dobinsons: 21.375"

For reference:

OEM Front Left: 19.25"
OEM Front Right: 19"
OEM Rear Left: 18.94"
OEM Rear Right: 18.75"

OEM Front 14mm width
OEM Rear 16mm width

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Will update with pics once they're installed.
 
Well... I didn't give up. I kept on trying to figure out what these springs are and I noticed that on one spring there was some writing that looks like it has mostly disappeared from the other springs.

Exhibit A:
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So I started trying to look around on the internet and for a while I found absolutely nothing. Then I stumbled upon this post in Russian:

Translation of pertinent bits:
The company is widely known in narrow circles. Diorama Device , arrived from Japan
Progressive winding (variable pitch), bar diameter 16 mm, total spring length 49.5 mm

I'm not sure if these are the exact springs as it looks like this person was probably installing them on a Prado, and mine don't appear to be progressive... I'm not versed enough on the differences to know if these springs could be interchangeable. These appear to be "Diorama Device" springs from Japan. I also found another russian website similar looking to ebay selling gold colored "Diorama Device" springs here(which also claim to be 2" lift springs from Japan): Пружины Diorama Device Toyota Land Cruiser HDJ81V (LegoCar) - GT и тюнинг в Находке

There's absolutely zero official info I can find online about these things other than they appear to have originated from Japan. So they seem to be quite the rare oddity.
97 FZ80 Dirama device Compressive springs with 2 inch lift. Ride is very smooth.

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