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I was given a bunch of this stuff.

It's old 2 cycle oil, evidently. There is a stamp on top of the can with an "09 83" so could well be 27 years old if that's a date... Did they still sell this stuff in cans in 83? If it's 83 that was about the end of the Lombard chainsaw production IIRC.

Maybe highly collectible to go with the old saws? Neat to have on the shelf, no? :)


Interestingly, the label asks for 1:16 mix seems like :eek:. A tad more than the 1:50 I normally use with modern oils... I imagine that's the way it was back when when the oils weren't as fancy as they are now.

I don't think I want to use this in my good saws or wacker, but I've got a couple of old ones that I don't care too much about, and I could be convinced to use it for that as a test if it's a consensus that this would be OK to use. Or is it sure to gunk things up?

If it can't be used for mix in good tools, any use for this stuff besides general lubing? Ebay? salad dressing? :)
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say there is no way in hell you should attempt to use that in your prized saw. I mean you wouldn't use a gallon of 27 year old gas would you? Granted oil surely lasts way longer than gas but you get the point.
In that good of shape, looks like it's value is more in the oil can collector world.
 
Give it or Sell it to an oil can collector. It was outdated in 1983 since most manufacturers stopped requiring 16:1 oil blends in and around 1970.

That was designed for an air cooled engine with Oilyte type bearings or very loose bearings. The tolerances were not that good in the equipment build before 1970 and they required more lubrication to compensate for the lack of tolerances. The motors/engines themselves were running 7,000 - 9,500 RPM. At the time, this was considered a very fast saw or High Speed Motor.

As mentioned by Joe_E, you newer equipment does not want that oil ran in it. Your 025 runs close to 12,500 - 13,000rpm. This RPM was never even thought of in 1970. Putting the 16:1 in it will overheat the engine and cause a seizure.

The only thing I would run that in is a two man chain saw or an old blue, blue/green or non red homelite.
 
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OK then, won't use it in an engine.

amazing what progress has been made in engines and oils.

anybody knows where the oil collectors congregate? Bob?:)
 
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FJ40-GARAGE said:
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Collectors of old 2 stroke engines will love to get them for the reasons DÀnimal posted before.
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do you mean to look at or to use with the old machines?




on that note, we've read above not to use old oils in new engines, but what about using newfangled oil specced for 50:1 in old engines rated at the time for 16:1. That OK or not?
 
e9999 said:
do you mean to look at or to use with the old machines?




on that note, we've read above not to use old oils in new engines, but what about using newfangled oil specced for 50:1 in old engines rated at the time for 16:1. That OK or not?
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Why don't you mix with new 2 cycle oil at 16:1 ratio for old equipment? "newfangled" oil are not spec'd for 50:1.
 
So to clarify some of the above,

I have some older Craftsman 2 cycle engines that called for 32:1.
So, can I use any currently-sold oil including those that are normally used at 50:1 in other equipment (like Stihl oil) in those older engines without carb adjustment if I use this new oil at the old nominal engine-specified 32:1 then?

IOW, is the ratio pegged to a certain engine design, and not a particular generation of oil then? I was kind of thinking that a newer oil would be "better" because of newer additives, and would be lead to smaller ratios of oil needed, but that may not be the case, I take it.

Darn it, then, I may need 3 different containers of mix with different ratios to cover all my toys? that's a pain...

(also question: why does a tiny 2.6oz container of oil cost the same as a full gallon of gas, if I may ask...? :frown:)



added: I did go check out a store today and did indeed see oil containers that showed mixing ratios all the way from 16:1 to 50:1
 
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well, this is interesting

here is what Echo says on their web site (and similar in my manual):


"A 50:1 ratio with 89 Octane fuel can be used in all ECHO 2-stroke equipment, provided the oil is ISO-L-EGD and JASO M345 FC/FD certified. ISO-L-EGD and JASO M345 FC/FD oil must be used with a mid-grade (89 octane) or premium gasoline in all 1997 and newer engines.

A 50:1 Ratio = 1 US Gal. 89 Octane + 2.6 fl. oz. ECHO POWER BLEND OIL

Echo Power Blend Universal 2-Stroke Oil can be used in all of our 2-cycle air-cooled equipment ever made. You may also use this oil in any other brand of 2-cycle air cooled equipment, but it should always be mixed at the 50:1 ratio whether or not it was a 32:1 or 16:1 etc. machine. This oil is the highest quality 2-cycle oil on the market today. "
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so this suggests that it's the oil that determines the ratio, not the engine, in their opinion...

what say you?



sounds good to me, cuz right now I've got some 32:1, some 40:1 and some 50:1 machines.... sheesh....
 
Buy some Echo oil and run it in everything.


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Re read post # 3 a few more times and then re read post # 9 in between which are answers to you questions in post 1.

To maybe give you a time frame reference, an F135 was in production at the same time the 16:1 ratio name brand equipment was being built.

Yes, you can still buy equipment today that asks for 16:1 but that is because it is generally made in China with minimal tolerenaces.
 
If that wasn't clear enough, I am no longer talking about the Lombard oil. Let that one rest in peace.

I am asking if I should use the good modern oils at 32:1 in my old Homelite, say, per the old original Homelite manual, or at 50:1 cuz that's what some of the modern oils seem to be designed for.

Echo clearly says 50:1 for everything with their oil, but I'm reading the opposite other places (i.e. keep it at the old manual ratio).

It's not too expensive at HD in bigger bottles:
http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-O...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
Unfortunately, it looks like it's made by CITGO and I am not exactly a fan of the crazy guy out there so I may have to pass on that one...

Stihl appears to be saying that we should use 50:1 in all their engines including older ones. Strangely, it sounds like they're saying that regardless of the oil (they have 3 apparently, including a full synth). Wisely, they are not mentioning other brands. (Odd that Echo would say that.)

Interestingly, I read about some folks gushing about using some Amsoil synthetic at 100:1 in all their tools.
 
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e9999 said:
If that wasn't clear enough, I am no longer talking about the Lombard oil. Let that one rest in peace.

I am asking if I should use the good modern oils at 32:1 in my old Homelite, say, per the old original Homelite manual, or at 50:1 cuz that's what some of the modern oils seem to be designed for.

Echo clearly says 50:1 for everything with their oil, but I'm reading the opposite other places (i.e. keep it at the old manual ratio).

It's not too expensive at HD in bigger bottles:
ECHO 50-1, 16 Oz. Squeeze Bottle 2 Cycle Oil - 6450006 at The Home Depot
Unfortunately, it looks like it's made by CITGO and I am not exactly a fan of the crazy guy out there so I may have to pass on that one...

Stihl appears to be saying that we should use 50:1 in all their engines including older ones. Strangely, it sounds like they're saying that regardless of the oil (they have 3 apparently, including a full synth). Wisely, they are not mentioning other brands. (Odd that Echo would say that.)

Interestingly, I read about some folks gushing about using some Amsoil synthetic at 100:1 in all their tools.
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I would never use Amsoil at 100:1 for an engine designed to run at 50:1. Don't care what they say with their propaganda about extended oil changes etc.. Don't want to discuss it on this thread. I do use their Synthetic gear oil in my pickup truck and it has worked well.

I don't see any harm in mixing up some 32:1 fuel/oil mix for some of the older equipment. I don't see any issues except having to keep several 1 gallon cans around. I have used that Echo oil in my Echo weedeaters without issues. I now use Stihl Ultra synthetic 2 cycle oil in all my equipment.
 
fj40charles said:
I would never use Amsoil at 100:1 for an engine designed to run at 50:1. Don't care what they say with their propaganda about extended oil changes etc.. Don't want to discuss it on this thread. I do use their Synthetic gear oil in my pickup truck and it has worked well.

I don't see any harm in mixing up some 32:1 fuel/oil mix for some of the older equipment. I don't see any issues except having to keep several 1 gallon cans around. I have used that Echo oil in my Echo weedeaters without issues. I now use Stihl Ultra synthetic 2 cycle oil in all my equipment.
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one of the quoted advantages -I don't know if that's remotely true- by the 50:1 in old engine crowd is that they reportedly stay much cleaner, less gunk on spark arrester etc.
 
I called Homelite and asked about my mid80s Super 2 saw.
This one called for 32:1 at the time per the manual.

Well, the tech person was emphatic in saying that I should use 32:1 ratio for that saw, even with today's high performance oil. Said that somebody had just called earlier who had used 50:1 in an older saw despite admonitions (an experimenter like me...? :D) and blown it. (But who knows why really...).
She added that this particular saw just "loves oil".

So Echo says 50:1 for everything everywhere
Homelite says 32:1 for that particular saw at least... I'm favoring that piece of info, sounds more specific.

sounds like I may be stuck with 3 ratios... darn...
 
why not just meet in the middle 40:1?

Thats all i run in my shop...use 93 OCT, shindiawia or Husq. oil (non ethanol) echo works just as good.

I work on stuff from 40yr old homelites and Mac's to brand new off the shelf Stihl, shindiawia, robin, husky
 
I put the older Craftsman engine question out on a Sears Craftsman site and one of their experts (?) came back with "use 40:1 even with new high perf oil, not 50:1 or your engine will wear out faster. Those engines were designed for 40:1 ".
 
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I put the older Craftsman engine question out on a Sears Craftsman site and one of their experts (?) came back with "use 40:1 even with new high perf oil, not 50:1 or your engine will wear out faster. Those engines were designed for 40:1 ".
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Thats what i thought of straight away, its like our good old 2F engines........you should stick with the recommended viscosity .

Its tough to get 20W50 (at least in Europe) nowadays, will be even harder to get special chain saw oil i guess.
 
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