Calling all HDJ81 owners ...

[Glenn-BJ74]

What is the worst case scenario on the repair bill for a leaky injection pump, which could be as bad as a total rebuild ...?
- mileage 219,000 on a 1990

Interested in your experiences please.
Thx Glenn

 

[Fantom]

Dan just had that done on his. If he doesn't answer, shoot him a PM.

 

[BCR4619]

Somewhere around 1g IIRC... Depends if u pull it yourself or not.

 

[MonsterCruiser]

I think John told me $2k to buy a new one. Sounds like a rebuild would be cheaper.

 

[canucksafari]

Yes, rebuild is cheaper or buying a rebuilt (core fee until they get your core). Nothing special about the Denso IP that would prohibit a Bosch certified shop from rebuilding it. It depends how bad it is. They may open it up and find it will cost more to rebuild than to buy a new one. By then you are already in to shop hours. IIRC, it is the distributor head that is the big $$$. Some years ago, the local shop rebuilt my Zexel pump. Their IP rebuild cost including parts was $650. They tried to add another $1750 to that for mechanical costs of removing, installing and tuning. But that is another story too long for here. If I had one rebuilt locally again, I would go the New West Fuel Injection in Surrey.

 

[Enigma]

Mine puked it's guts out all over the driveway a few years ago (all the seals failed). I recall the re/re cost to be around $1400, none of it done myself. That may have included a few other things at the time, I think I had John run new fuel lines when this was done so I could run 100% bio/veggie if I wanted.

 

[Enigma]

Also, perhaps it's just me as mine is still pretty low mileage, but 219k sounds like a lot (for a JDM). I'm at around 127k or so for my 1990, but then again it hasn't been a daily driver for 3 years now.

 

[Glenn-BJ74]

With your low mileage do you think your IP seals failed due to less regular use ?

 

[Enigma]

With your low mileage do you think your IP seals failed due to less regular use ?

That and just general age probably. Pure speculation though as I have no prior maintenance history.

 

[BCR4619]

If its just leaking and has not been touched its prob the rubber seals... And like anything 20+ years old its a little brittle, like Jeff said his gas leaked, mine was not as bad but still get it fixed... My dads was shooting fuel everywhere lol

 

[Glenn-BJ74]

So is 550 km about right on a tank - and what on the highway??

 

[BCR4619]

So is 550 km about right on a tank - and what on the highway??

Seems alright, I'm getting around 550-600 (remember mine is a princess) on the highway I get 10l/100k

City/little highway trips put me around 11.5-12.8 l per 100

 

[Enigma]

So is 550 km about right on a tank - and what on the highway??

Pretty much yes. This of course will vary depending on your choice of accessories, but I still get around 500 or so last I checked, while tipping the scales at 7000 lbs and a brick on the roof. Driving style, like any other vehicle, also alters your results.
Highway mileage on a stockish vehicle can get close to 700 I'd think, driven frugally. There are various posts here on 'mud about some crazy high mileage, but probably a mix of miscalculation and bulls***. It's a heavy, full time 4wd truck.
If you search back to my Rubicon, and I think my Moab trip reports, I posted my fuel usage. It was quite reasonable, especially for the California trip. That was a lot of driving.

 

[Glenn-BJ74]

Thanks guys

 

[Dangil]

My trip to Whitehorse last month, I was getting 10 to 10.8 l per 100 over 8 plus tanks. Weighed 7300 lbs. cruise control set to 88km/h. Ski carrier and 9' inflatable on the roof.

 

[MonsterCruiser]

My fuel economy:

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/ryanv/land-cruiser

It's actually slightly better than that because I haven't adjusted for the larger tires.

LOL! I just noticed that the car with the best MPG in "my garage" is presently the AMG E50. That's pretty terrible!

 

[wrongway around]

I get 450+ to -500 driving around north van - hwy - bush.,well over 7000lbs,and a little heavy footed on 35s ,stock gears,auto.. sounds like your thinkin about the buying one that needs pump bushing , reseal ,tweek , and tune. For a start. A nine foot inflatable on the roof ? You need a bigger trunk.

 

[bj70_guy]

Glen, send Greg b an email. He had his pump redone before he put the motor in the 80.

 

[canucksafari]

If its just leaking and has not been touched its prob the rubber seals... And like anything 20+ years old its a little brittle, like Jeff said his gas leaked, mine was not as bad but still get it fixed... My dads was shooting fuel everywhere lol

If it is just a single diesel leak, they can often be fixed easily. Common spot for a leak to develop is on the o ring under the timing plate. I recommend you first determine where it is leaking from before getting a rebuild. Could even just be a bad fitting of a washer.

I did not know better when i had mine rebuilt. That lesson cost me over $2000. When my wife's rig started leaking in the winter, I already had a spare OEM seal kit on hand (available cheap for Hiflo in Australia for most of our pumps). Five minutes later the leak was fixed with two seals from an $18 kit. If it is an o ring seal, I am sure you could get one at a local fuel injection shop.

With the belt driven IPs, getting all the seals is less of a concern with the gear driven IPs. If the IP driveshaft seal goes in them, you get diesel being dumped into the crankcase oil via the timing gear case. I check oil regularly and it is very rare to hear about that seal going. Again, it is not a concern for belt driven IPs.

 

[LanceCruiser]

I was told at Fred Holmes the factory seals deteriorate from using Bio Diesel and switching the seals to a Viton seal will work with Bio and regular diesel. Pretty much a pump rebuild is around $1300 give or take with new seals. I'm very happy with the work John's friend in Malaysia did on my pump. I'm getting around 450km-500km per 75L-80L.