I don't have easy access to a scanner. The images that I posted are from the electronic versions which you can get for $10 and an hour of your time. I was giving you that as a sample of what is available.
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Pulse, can you get a quick estimate for what it would cost to scan the whole body? Can the arm go underneath to scan the frame? what kind of resolution & accuracy would we expect?
I've got ProE Wildfire & SolidWorks 2006.. but other than real simple stuff all I really know how to do is file-save as-.stl. then click print
I could bang out several of these if the resolution was decent.. could even print the tires in rubber. Anyone else want one an 80 on their desk? Who's up for the Faro scanning group buy?
I've got ProE Wildfire & SolidWorks 2006.. but other than real simple stuff all I really know how to do is file-save as-.stl. then click print
I could bang out several of these if the resolution was decent.. could even print the tires in rubber. Anyone else want one an 80 on their desk? Who's up for the Faro scanning group buy?
FWIW,
I have acess to mithcells and pathways and adp graphiccs of all the major components. however I do not think I will help at all. They are awful in scale and relation to each other. They are not true models, but they are artists representations.
I have acess to all of the measureing points on the frame but again not sure how useful they will be as they will only show you the distance between body mounts and such.
Let me know if thes would help.
Dave
I have acess to mithcells and pathways and adp graphiccs of all the major components. however I do not think I will help at all. They are awful in scale and relation to each other. They are not true models, but they are artists representations.
I have acess to all of the measureing points on the frame but again not sure how useful they will be as they will only show you the distance between body mounts and such.
Let me know if thes would help.
Dave
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Thanks to whomever sent the scanned files to me although they weren’t useful
due to being low res. PDF’s. Only a high res. image will work, TIFF or JPG format
After scaling the PDF using known dim’s the lines of the frame were about 2” wide and blocky. That would make the accuracy + - 4” not good.
due to being low res. PDF’s. Only a high res. image will work, TIFF or JPG format
After scaling the PDF using known dim’s the lines of the frame were about 2” wide and blocky. That would make the accuracy + - 4” not good.
I've done reverse engineering for over 10 years, I have a 3D laser scanner( er, had, it's on the fritz now) and i've built models from all kinds of digitized data.
a model of a full scale 80 is a tremendous amount of data at 1/16th res. like you asked. It would basically overload most systems to the choking point.
I've been toying with this idea for a long time, and was about to scan my 1/18th scale die cast 80, but the scanner has died and the company that made it has gone under the radar. It would only be the outside of it anyway. Frankie's OffRoad has some images on his site that look like they are from SW of a front bumper.
I've even heard of guys scaling photos in photoshop and pulling dim's from that.
if you're looking at a cheap result, that would be the angle I would suggest.
but for scanning a beast like an 80, $75 and hour is a bargain, and it would take at least +5 hours to really scan it, and countless(~+40) in surface creation. I would bid the job in the thousands of $$ FYI.
If someone can get the faro scan, or a video scan, I'd be willing to work on it from there. Has anyone seen the one's for sale as mentioned? I'd be willing to check those out if anyone has them. we could always dress that up.
Put some lipstick on that pig and sell it!
a model of a full scale 80 is a tremendous amount of data at 1/16th res. like you asked. It would basically overload most systems to the choking point.
I've been toying with this idea for a long time, and was about to scan my 1/18th scale die cast 80, but the scanner has died and the company that made it has gone under the radar. It would only be the outside of it anyway. Frankie's OffRoad has some images on his site that look like they are from SW of a front bumper.
I've even heard of guys scaling photos in photoshop and pulling dim's from that.
if you're looking at a cheap result, that would be the angle I would suggest.
but for scanning a beast like an 80, $75 and hour is a bargain, and it would take at least +5 hours to really scan it, and countless(~+40) in surface creation. I would bid the job in the thousands of $$ FYI.
If someone can get the faro scan, or a video scan, I'd be willing to work on it from there. Has anyone seen the one's for sale as mentioned? I'd be willing to check those out if anyone has them. we could always dress that up.
Put some lipstick on that pig and sell it!
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PabloVTA
For what I want wouldn’t overload my GPU, you’re thinking way to much
detail here. Imagine putting a tight fitting car cover over the 80 that would eliminate
things such as trim, windows, door handles, grill and body lines. I’ve never used a scanner
of this type so I don’t know the limitations but a couple rolls of blue painters
tape would eliminate fine details, yes low tech but effective.
The entire 80 body would be one “Mass element” or “3D solid” with only major
radiuses and detail but accurate + or – 1/16”. this would be a relatively small DWG
and other components such as the frame could be “Xrefed” in.
For what I want wouldn’t overload my GPU, you’re thinking way to much
detail here. Imagine putting a tight fitting car cover over the 80 that would eliminate
things such as trim, windows, door handles, grill and body lines. I’ve never used a scanner
of this type so I don’t know the limitations but a couple rolls of blue painters
tape would eliminate fine details, yes low tech but effective.
The entire 80 body would be one “Mass element” or “3D solid” with only major
radiuses and detail but accurate + or – 1/16”. this would be a relatively small DWG
and other components such as the frame could be “Xrefed” in.
http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/preview.aspx?ModelCode=548#
but for 50 bucks, it's real ruff still.
getting close!
but for 50 bucks, it's real ruff still.
getting close!
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Thanks for the link
Yes that is rough is it an 80 or 70? the year says 1980
I unfortunately found that the frame in the FSM is a representation, after scaling it 1-1
it’s off as much as 59mm and throwing in the line width factor of 10mm it’s useless
to model it from the FSM.
Going to need CAD files for this, I’m thinking toy companies may have what we want.
Yes that is rough is it an 80 or 70? the year says 1980
I unfortunately found that the frame in the FSM is a representation, after scaling it 1-1
it’s off as much as 59mm and throwing in the line width factor of 10mm it’s useless
to model it from the FSM.
Going to need CAD files for this, I’m thinking toy companies may have what we want.
Anyone look into using photogrammetry software like Photomodeler?
You take a series of pictures and the software converts it into a model.
http://www.photomodeler.com/
You can use this to get the overall shape of the 80, then do real world measuring to tweak model of the areas you are interested in like the frame horns.
I'd be up for helping model as well...Inventor or Solidworks.
You take a series of pictures and the software converts it into a model.
http://www.photomodeler.com/
You can use this to get the overall shape of the 80, then do real world measuring to tweak model of the areas you are interested in like the frame horns.
I'd be up for helping model as well...Inventor or Solidworks.
Why don't you just contact Toyota and see if these can be shared? Worth a shot, right? Ya never know.
davegonz, that's some cool software. I've never seen anything like that. I wonder how good it works? Too bad its too expensive for anyone but a business... I guess most CAD programs are. I'd hate to think of what I'd have to spend to get a copy of my NX3 or CATIA at home...
The use of photogrammetry has been around for years. They use it to do aerial surveys and such. I bet with the combination of hard measurements off of the 80 and the data generated by the software, you can end up with a nice workable model.
ls2gto,
Do you work in the airplane industry? Raytheon? Falcon Jet?
Do you work in the airplane industry? Raytheon? Falcon Jet?
No, OEM cast aluminum wheel supplier. I design Chrysler/Jeep wheels.
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I just obtained Photomodeler 5. Going to see if it generates a usable
model. Anyone interested in this software PM me
model. Anyone interested in this software PM me
bumping an old thread...
Has anyone found or know of any 3D models? Google found me one of a hub cap...
and these 80 series models..
kenmore 80 series 3d models
but not exactly what I was looking for.
Has anyone found or know of any 3D models? Google found me one of a hub cap...
and these 80 series models..
kenmore 80 series 3d models
but not exactly what I was looking for.
