Brake Pad Question

[jivewalker]

On my 4Runner I have learned that the pads the dealer typically sells are not the same as the OEM factory pads. It is reported that the dealer pads squeak, dust a lot more, and don't last as long. I have confirmed that there is in fact two different part numbers. I have always ordered the factory part #'s and have been very happy with the factory pads.

Is this true for the LC as well? If so, what are the part numbers for both the factory pads and the dealer pads? I'd like to check the pads that are on there and possibly replace them with the factory pads if needed. My brakes squeal right now with plenty of pad.

 

[bloc]

I don't know what the supposed dealer number would be but the OE brake pad set for your 2017 LC is 04465-60280 for the front.

Note that they may want to also throw in a shim kit 04945-60080 and spring kit aka "fitting kit" 04945-60080.

Rear pads 04466-60160
Shims 04946-60120
Fitting kit 04948-60040


As for dust.. the stock pads are known for being very quiet and barely dusting. Some people do have issues with uneven pad deposits (commonly known as warped rotors, but that is a mistaken description) but if you aren't having issues so far I'd just use them.

Also note that the rotors are surprisingly cheap.. I'd just throw a new set on vs put new pads on the old surface, or even having yours turned.
(prices are at my go-to discount parts site.. expect dealer to be ~30% more)
Front rotor $65 ea 43512-60210
Rear rotor $85 ea 42431-60290

 

[jivewalker]

I don't know what the supposed dealer number would be but the OE brake pad set for your 2017 LC is 04465-60280 for the front.

Note that they may want to also throw in a shim kit 04945-60080 and spring kit aka "fitting kit" 04945-60080.

Rear pads 04466-60160
Shims 04946-60120
Fitting kit 04948-60040


As for dust.. the stock pads are known for being very quiet and barely dusting. Some people do have issues with uneven pad deposits (commonly known as warped rotors, but that is a mistaken description) but if you aren't having issues so far I'd just use them.

Also note that the rotors are surprisingly cheap.. I'd just throw a new set on vs put new pads on the old surface, or even having yours turned.
(prices are at my go-to discount parts site.. expect dealer to be ~30% more)
Front rotor $65 ea 43512-60210
Rear rotor $85 ea 42431-60290

thanks, @bloc . My first set of pads on the 4runner lasted 100k miles, so I replaced the rotors when I replaced the pads the first time.

The LC only has 31k on it, so I would assume these are the stock pads, except that they dust a good bit and squeal. Wondering if the dealer slapped new ones on before selling. Are uneven deposits from improper bedding? Maybe the uneven deposits are causing that squeal. I typically just order from the cheapest online place i can find, used camelbak and mcgeorge a good bit. Thanks again.

 

[Sandroad]

If the brakes are dusting and squealing on a ‘17, it’s very likely the dealer just slapped some super el-cheapo non-OEM pads in there before a sale. One of my local dealers uses CarQuest parts instead of OEM parts for jobs like that (while still charging OEM prices) to save themselves a few bucks. If the dusting and squealing bothers you, get the OEM pads, springs, shims, and rotors and get it all fixed up. I have never had dust or squealing on my ‘17 in almost 60k miles.

And the pad deposits on rotors cause uneven braking, not necessarily squealing. The deposits are caused by keeping the brakes applied when extremely hot.

 

[jivewalker]

If the brakes are dusting and squealing on a ‘17, it’s very likely the dealer just slapped some super el-cheapo non-OEM pads in there before a sale. One of my local dealers uses CarQuest parts instead of OEM parts for jobs like that (while still charging OEM prices) to save themselves a few bucks. If the dusting and squealing bothers you, get the OEM pads, springs, shims, and rotors and get it all fixed up. I have never had dust or squealing on my ‘17 in almost 60k miles.

And the pad deposits on rotors cause uneven braking, not necessarily squealing. The deposits are caused by keeping the brakes applied when extremely hot.

Thanks, sounds like pad slapping, glad to hear I can expect same quality as I get on the runner. Guess I'll be doing pads and rotors at next tire rotation unless i get annoyed by the sqeal sooner!

 

[bloc]

I agree with sandroad, most likely not OE pads.

Enough people have had issues with pulsation that something about the way these are designed and probably the way some Americans drive is getting things a little weird. But ensuring the same spot of the rotor doesn’t sit there having pads bake more material onto them does appear to help. Leave room to crawl forward after stopping from high speed, if you are concerned about it or have a history of the issue.

 

[82SC]

I don't know what the supposed dealer number would be but the OE brake pad set for your 2017 LC is 04465-60280 for the front.

Note that they may want to also throw in a shim kit 04945-60080 and spring kit aka "fitting kit" 04945-60080.

Rear pads 04466-60160
Shims 04946-60120
Fitting kit 04948-60040


As for dust.. the stock pads are known for being very quiet and barely dusting. Some people do have issues with uneven pad deposits (commonly known as warped rotors, but that is a mistaken description) but if you aren't having issues so far I'd just use them.

Also note that the rotors are surprisingly cheap.. I'd just throw a new set on vs put new pads on the old surface, or even having yours turned.
(prices are at my go-to discount parts site.. expect dealer to be ~30% more)
Front rotor $65 ea 43512-60210
Rear rotor $85 ea 42431-60290

What’s your go to site?

Also do you need all the ancillaries?

Shims?
The springs I think are reusable.
And I’ve heard you are supposed to use new caliper mounting bolts if you do remove the calipers.

 

[jivewalker]

I agree with sandroad, most likely not OE pads.

Enough people have had issues with pulsation that something about the way these are designed and probably the way some Americans drive is getting things a little weird. But ensuring the same spot of the rotor doesn’t sit there having pads bake more material onto them does appear to help. Leave room to crawl forward after stopping from high speed, if you are concerned about it or have a history of the issue.

Never had the issue. I guess I'm laid back and enjoy driving my rigs too much to be in a hurry. I actually barely have to use the brakes in normal driving. I rarely replace springs and guides, I just clean them. If to corroded then I replace. I always replace the shims though. Not sure why, but always do.

 

[bloc]

What’s your go to site?

Also do you need all the ancillaries?

Shims?
The springs I think are reusable.
And I’ve heard you are supposed to use new caliper mounting bolts if you do remove the calipers.

Parts.autonationtoyotasouthaustin.com

FSM does say to replace the caliper bolts, probably due to the coating. But many do reuse. For the small cost I’d just do it. Plus you can keep the old ones in the box as a trail spare.

And yeah I wouldn’t do springs unless corrosion is an issue. Occasionally the rotor wears them thin if they weren’t installed correctly. But easy enough to change at a later date if you get them apart and find that as an issue.

 

[MRego]

At what mileage would you guys say it is common to replace the pads and rotors in the 200s MY 2016 up? Mine is 56k miles and except for a squeaking sound that comes and goes as it pleases, I do not feel anything abnormal. However, it would be interesting to see how improved the breaking is once rotors and pads are replaced.

 

[jivewalker]

At what mileage would you guys say it is common to replace the pads and rotors in the 200s MY 2016 up? Mine is 56k miles and except for a squeaking sound that comes and goes as it pleases, I do not feel anything abnormal. However, it would be interesting to see how improved the breaking is once rotors and pads are replaced.

It depends on your driving habits and style. You should inspect your pads at each tire rotation, every 5000 miles at least. It also depends on the pads you use.