Another LJ78 bites the dust

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my wifes daily driver just blew it's mind and spilled it's water mass all over the road...

once again proof these truck engines suck...110,000 km, 30,000+ km since we brought it in, no signs of problems till River Shiver when it first showed it's life expectancy was soon to be over...

sad to say she is heading for the grave yard...

check the vehicle for parts section should you need any parts...

rest in peace Sir Rumpled Steel Skin... you were a good old girl.
 
Ah Man what a shame....

might be a good test bed for a 22re engine.... see what it takes to convert it.

Any idea it was going to happen..at all?
 
What a shame. You had all the goodies in that truck plus alot of work. I wonder if running the truck on max boost did it in? Heat kills. I know that with summer coming here in Saskatchewan I will be watching the temp gauge like a hawk. I am interested in some of your parts Wayne. I would like to offer to purchase your recored rad and other stuff if you are parting it out.
 
Sounds like river shiver was pretty tough on that LJ! For clarification - was this your Prado with all the mods like bigger exhaust, fixed fan, 4core rad etc etc or was this a "stock" machine? Had the head already been replaced?

Should be good for someone though - good bounty of parts...

Johnny
 
What a shame. You had all the goodies in that truck plus alot of work. I wonder if running the truck on max boost did it in? Heat kills. I know that with summer coming here in Saskatchewan I will be watching the temp gauge like a hawk. I am interested in some of your parts Wayne. I would like to offer to purchase your recored rad and other stuff if you are parting it out.

sorry guys thsi was the daily driver not the brown bush rig with all the mods...
no it was not the extra boost that killed the head it was lugging the truck in snow trying to make it up a particualr bad section of trail that killed it...
 
Sounds like river shiver was pretty tough on that LJ! For clarification - was this your Prado with all the mods like bigger exhaust, fixed fan, 4core rad etc etc or was this a "stock" machine? Had the head already been replaced?

Should be good for someone though - good bounty of parts...

Johnny

nah, the one with the new head and all the mods is holding up to the serious abuse quite well it has been exposed to ...so far...
 
Sorry about your truck.

I am a newbie here and just found the forum is owesome. Acturally, I found a beautiful white 1989 LJ73 with a hardtop in Vancouver yeaterday. I really love it, well, it has a 2LT...:confused:

Please advise if I could take the risk? Thanks.
 
boost that killed the head it was lugging the truck in snow trying to make it up a particualr bad section of trail that killed it...

There is no single explaination for a head cracking IMO. Unecessarily increasing the boost for the sake of seeing lower EGT readings is not benefical in my books... well in my mind at least the books don't talk much about that specific issue. :doh:
I would change the head and improve the cooling and keep driving that great truck. Are you in such a hurry of parting the truck out when you discover the BEB and front axle need to be serviced on an HDJ81 ?
 
what it comes down to the extensive testing of the EGT situation in the 2LTE engines. as i reported numberous times on this forum the EGT on a stock 2LTE will skyrocket if pushing a head wind or climbing a long (even gentle) hill at normal highway speeds, auto or 5 spd. increase the boost and more air is injected into the fuel mixture and the EGT drops dramaticly and maxes out at 1000C no matter how har you try and push the engine. at this poiint it is important to watch the water temp because a long hard pull will allow the water temp to boil over.
before the boost increase it didn't really matter about the water temp since the EGT would kill the head. it is a double edged sword.
if keeping the EGT down is not important in your books then there is no debate since your mind is made up.
The HDT will give you better fuel economy, better power, quieter. change out the BEB and change your oil religously and you are good to go.
why not stick a new head on? cause the 2LTE, 2LT are s*** engines, simple as that. they are underpowered, prone to overheating, not the greatest on fuel, little chunks of boat anchor material. (the rest of the truck is great as you say).
i am considering installing the front clip off a HD 70 and installing a PZ engine and tranny.transfer.rad... but if i do it won't be till next winter.
these engines are crap and not worth putting money into...there are now recorded examples of second engine heads dieing in Edmonton, Vancouver, interior BC and probably many more that we don't know about.

such is life. if you use your vehicle on the roads where speed limits are 110 km/hr, if the hills are long, if the head winds are brutal at times then DO NOT BUY a LJ/LN unit and if you have one then sell it to someone that lives in rural ontario, quebec or as a city driver only.

this is my experience, this is my recommendations.
 
It's not the EGTs that kill the heads, its the combustion temps. They surely are related but definately not in a linear way. Stay tuned for a serious in-depth study when time and money allows ;)

BTW the turbo LJs are not road or long distance engines in my books. That's what the 80 series were made for indeed, but on the other hand they are pathetically overweight and oversize for offroading.
You may want to season your opinion on those 2LT engines. Like you admitted, when cared for and used properly for offroading or commuting they do the job fine and cheap and can last very long. I have a cracked oringinal head from a '88 with 360,000km of offroading and a bit of racing. The block bores, pistons, crank are spotless and as good as new. The thermal management on these engines can definately be impoved, but they are not s*** as-is. They will be s*** if you expect them to drive on the highway like a car. I don't know how much you would pay from those in Japan, but they are in a whole different league than 80 series here. Like a 1 to 3 price ratio. I remember back when you were saying they were the best thing since sliced bread and how propane, higher boost and fuel made them fly. I don't remember wether or not I was trying to advise a bit about the head cracking problem, but the truth certainly lies inbetween. The worlds fastest diesel hilux will be powered by a 2LT of some sort and I'm going to document it :D
 
It's not the EGTs that kill the heads, its the combustion temps. They surely are related but definately not in a linear way. Stay tuned for a serious in-depth study when time and money allows ;)

The worlds fastest diesel hilux will be powered by a 2LT of some sort and I'm going to document it :D

sorry, but till you actually do the in-depth study, you are talking out your ass...
<edit: just like i was when i first was bringing these in and before i had first hand knowledge :end edit>

<BTW, PI never worked on the 2LTE, i did that to the HZ and the PZ, both which are still running today...>
 
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sorry bout the loss

I would like to purchase the grille and front turn/marker lights,( please!)
( outside of headlights). My lj is a 92 with the integrated lights, like a hilux or 80 series.
I know the earlier ljs are not the same
These would need to be sent to NH, USA
would you be willing?
thank you
 
I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere, but.... Will installing slightly larger tires (lowering RPMs at speed) help prevent this head cracking problem? I have just recently purchased a 91 LJ78 (hadn't found this excellent site before purchase!) and I am interested in anything that may help keep it running. I live on northern Vancouver Island and I will be using this vehicle for commuting, light off-roading, and the odd highway trip.
 
I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere, but.... Will installing slightly larger tires (lowering RPMs at speed) help prevent this head cracking problem? I have just recently purchased a 91 LJ78 (hadn't found this excellent site before purchase!) and I am interested in anything that may help keep it running. I live on northern Vancouver Island and I will be using this vehicle for commuting, light off-roading, and the odd highway trip.

larger tires makes it heat up more, as the engine has to work harder. Lugging the engine will increase temps and crack the head.

Read in the diesel section and 70 section. use the search feature. You will find lots of important info.

Buy a pyro gauge to monitor temps. Make sure the coolant system is perfect.

When the head fails, install a gas engine. That's what I would do.. or do like 2rivers and try the 3L head.

But search around... I have never owned one. Only read the hundred or so threads on here and other spots. I know in my 3B engined cruiser the temps go up(EGT) in a hurry when your pushing on hill with low rpms.
 
sorry bout the loss

I would like to purchase the grille and front turn/marker lights,( please!)
( outside of headlights). My lj is a 92 with the integrated lights, like a hilux or 80 series.
I know the earlier ljs are not the same
These would need to be sent to NH, USA
would you be willing?
thank you

the wife hit a rock wall on ice at the River shiver, the LH fender, grill and clearence light is demolished...
sorry

BTW, this unit also has a brand new Dakar/OME lift kit on it, not even 2 weeks old (maybe 100 km)
 
3 X 3/4" rad recore
larger exhaust (2 1/2" aluminized) with steel muffler and resonator
increase the boost (the higher boost only comes on when it is needed, on the highway you will still run about 6-8 lbs)
when replacing the timing belt replace the water pump as well and flush the system very well
get rid of the EGR system, (i sell the blanking plates)

these will help immensly... the bush rig has been abused badly since the change of parts and so far it is holding up...if you drive it normally then these mods should keep the engine alive for quite a while...
the highway will kill it, around the city you will be fine and on back roads you will be fine. light duty off road will do no harm...
 
I am a newbie here and just found the forum is owesome. Acturally, I found a beautiful white 1989 LJ73 with a hardtop in Vancouver yeaterday. I really love it, well, it has a 2LT...:confused:

Please advise if I could take the risk? Thanks.

Add 3k for an head change.
 
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