Another In A Series of Flatlander Rescues

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Angie called from the office this morning, saying a couple of hunters were in trouble and had to abandon their truck down in Madera Canyon, not far from here. Can you help?

Meeting them at the ranger station they had quite the story: Leaving their rig in a precarious situation Wednesday evening they hiked six miles to pavement and caught numerous rides arriving at their camp 30 miles away on forest roads, well after midnight. The next day they drove their other truck all the way to Espanola where they bought a receiver hitch-mounted winch and some straps. Back to camp where they loaded an old-school ATV on a trailer and drove the 30 miles to the bottom of the road in question. They hauled everything up the six miles of 4x4 road to the stuck rig. Imagine two men, tools and and a 9,000 pound winch on a quad. Maybe they made multiple trips, I should have asked. They worked all afternoon winching, strapping and digging before giving up again. This morning, facing defeat, they stopped at the Ranger Station to ask their friendly neighborhood (unpaid) federal employees for help. Having only a skeleton crew and no one to spare Angie called me knowing I'm always up for an adventure.

Not knowing what to expect exactly, I grabbed some hand tools, extra straps, winch extension line, the dog and my neighbor, Ted. After talking with the hunters at the station and getting a location pin I realized they were on a very narrow shelf road hacked out of cliff with no turn-arounds and no way to pass their truck. (The road is on a 100 year old railroad grade). Not having enough data to determine my best approach, from above or below, we decided to split up and arrive from two directions. Them on the ATV, which involved a highway drive and staging the trailer and us in the 460 coming down from the top.

Airing down, Ted and I arrived at the truck an hour later and well before the hunters coming up from below. We were astonished at what we discovered! A nice, lifted quad cab 4x4 Chevy 3/4 ton pickup parked in the road with a clear, non obstructed path forward. Yes, the location is sketchy, a sharp bend around a deeply-incised washout from a steep side drainage. And indeed, this spot has given me pause in the past - one must negotiate an uncomfortable off-camber climb while keeping your rear end from falling into the void. But it's really just a perceptual thing and a good line.

The hunters clearly did not have the necessary perception and they worked very hard at arriving at a visual they were comfortable with. In addition to all the angst and expense they'ed already suffered, they worked at winching the back of the truck, mounted in the receiver hitch and hooking to an iffy boulder, to gain a better alignment. They also spent time hacking away at the uphill road bed with a shovel to reduce the camber.

None of their efforts were really necessary but they did succeed in greatly improving the situation. But they still did not recognize this.... to the point of giving up for a second day.

It took some word smithing on my part to convince the owner that all he had to do is get in and drive. After some more coaxing and spotting five seconds later he was on safe ground. All rather anticlimactic. Clearly relieved, we helped them load up their gear and we followed them back down to the other truck and trailer after spotting them around a couple of other tight spots.

They were, of course, very grateful even though all we did was provide a little coaching and encouragement. Ted and I felt bad for them after all they had been through. It also made me realize how important experience is in understanding risks, vehicle capability and everything else that we take for granted. It was also late in the day for them, Wednesday, the last day of the season, they had not gotten their elk, they were a long way from camp, in unfamiliar country and they found themselves in what seemed to be a precarious situation. A mentally edgy condition and you can't blame them for making conservative decisions.

On a route, by the way, that OnX, their nav app, indicated as an improved road.

Angie intends to place signs at both ends, which is actually a cool route - I lead a group from HDC up it a few years ago - that say: "Non Maintained Road, Enter at Your Own Risk."
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Angie called from the office this morning, saying a couple of hunters were in trouble and had to abandon their truck down in Madera Canyon, not far from here. Can you help?

Meeting them at the ranger station they had quite the story: Leaving their rig in a precarious situation Wednesday evening they hiked six miles to pavement and caught numerous rides arriving at their camp 30 miles away on forest roads, well after midnight. The next day they drove their other truck all the way to Espanola where they bought a receiver hitch-mounted winch and some straps. Back to camp where they loaded an old-school ATV on a trailer and drove the 30 miles to the bottom of the road in question. They hauled everything up the six miles of 4x4 road to the stuck rig. Imagine two men, tools and and a 9,000 pound winch on a quad. Maybe they made multiple trips, I should have asked. They worked all afternoon winching, strapping and digging before giving up again. This morning, facing defeat, they stopped at the Ranger Station to ask their friendly neighborhood (unpaid) federal employees for help. Having only a skeleton crew and no one to spare Angie called me knowing I'm always up for an adventure.

Not knowing what to expect exactly, I grabbed some hand tools, extra straps, winch extension line, the dog and my neighbor, Ted. After talking with the hunters at the station and getting a location pin I realized they were on a very narrow shelf road hacked out of cliff with no turn-arounds and no way to pass their truck. (The road is on a 100 year old railroad grade). Not having enough data to determine my best approach, from above or below, we decided to split up and arrive from two directions. Them on the ATV, which involved a highway drive and staging the trailer and us in the 460 coming down from the top.

Airing down, Ted and I arrived at the truck an hour later and well before the hunters coming up from below. We were astonished at what we discovered! A nice, lifted quad cab 4x4 Chevy 3/4 ton pickup parked in the road with a clear, non obstructed path forward. Yes, the location is sketchy, a sharp bend around a deeply-incised washout from a steep side drainage. And indeed, this spot has given me pause in the past - one must negotiate an uncomfortable off-camber climb while keeping your rear end from falling into the void. But it's really just a perceptual thing and a good line.

The hunters clearly did not have the necessary perception and they worked very hard at arriving at a visual they were comfortable with. In addition to all the angst and expense they'ed already suffered, they worked at winching the back of the truck, mounted in the receiver hitch and hooking to an iffy boulder, to gain a better alignment. They also spent time hacking away at the uphill road bed with a shovel to reduce the camber.

None of their efforts were really necessary but they did succeed in greatly improving the situation. But they still did not recognize this.... to the point of giving up for a second day.

It took some word smithing on my part to convince the owner that all he had to do is get in and drive. After some more coaxing and spotting five seconds later he was on safe ground. All rather anticlimactic. Clearly relieved, we helped them load up their gear and we followed them back down to the other truck and trailer after spotting them around a couple of other tight spots.

They were, of course, very grateful even though all we did was provide a little coaching and encouragement. Ted and I felt bad for them after all they had been through. It also made me realize how important experience is in understanding risks, vehicle capability and everything else that we take for granted. It was also late in the day for them, Wednesday, the last day of the season, they had not gotten their elk, they were a long way from camp, in unfamiliar country and they found themselves in what seemed to be a precarious situation. A mentally edgy condition and you can't blame them for making conservative decisions.

On a route, by the way, that OnX, their nav app, indicated as an improved road.

Angie intends to place signs at both ends, which is actually a cool route - I lead a group from HDC up it a few years ago - that say: "Non Maintained Road, Enter at Your Own Risk."View attachment 4021770
What a great story. I think many of us can relate.

Early in my days of trail running, there was a tippy shelf off Governor's pass near Ouray that Ron helped me with. The questionable section was 1.5 trucks wide - but the off camber with the 1000 foot drop off just freaked me out. Other time, Ash came to the rescue on Ophir's pass. The short stretch of shelf is not so tippy. Rather, its made up of loose shale. A group of Jeeps did not yield to our group as we progressed up and I found myself having to pull off the outside edge of that loose shelf to let one of the jeeps pass. Again, no issue except in my mind. In both cases, I swallowed my pride and asked for help.

You are spot on, experience plays a very important role in these type of situations. And without it, one is best served not attempting it. I think the hunters did the right thing and obtained help. I am glad all worked out. Thanks for posting up!
 
Great story. Experience is so important. I have helped several folks in capable 4x4's, that just needed a little coaching. One thing most of them don't know to do is Air down the tires and why it is very important.
 
@krazykat69 said "One thing most of them don't know to do is Air down the tires and why it is very important." Sounds like a great opportunity to teach. Anyone want to share practical tips, tricks, and gear?
 
In my experience, tires do not inflate themselves. Here's a solution.
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This setup does two things: Inflates tires and blows dust and other debris off surfaces. No electricity needed.
 
In my experience, tires do not inflate themselves. Here's a solution.
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This setup does two things: Inflates tires and blows dust and other debris off surfaces. No electricity needed.
Tell more. Is this a compressed air tank that you can refill with your air compressor at the shop?
 
Tell more. Is this a compressed air tank that you can refill with your air compressor at the shop?
The cylinder contains 10lbs of liquid carbon dioxide. This is enough CO2 gas to fill many tires. I use this setup several times a month for various things. I don't remember when I last exchanged the cylinder. An empty cylinder is exchanged at a welding gas supplier for a full cylinder. The CO2 cost is nominal.

I am really glad @juane was able to help these guys. New Mexico is well known for extreme heat and cold with very little water. Being stranded in these conditions can be fatal.
 
The cylinder contains 10lbs of liquid carbon dioxide. This is enough CO2 gas to fill many tires. I use this setup several times a month for various things. I don't remember when I last exchanged the cylinder. An empty cylinder is exchanged at a welding gas supplier for a full cylinder. The CO2 cost is nominal.
The last time I had my 10# CO2 bottle filled it was around $50. Plus, that bottle needs to be re-certified every 5 years.
 
Large CO2 cylinders are used commercially to dispense carbonated beverages. The small cylinders are very handy for kegerators. They are readily available. Like @pappy pointed out: You will get charged for a hydrostatic test if it is not current. This is a date stamp on the top of a cylinder. Learn to read them. It will save you money.
 
A few more tips that new 4x4's drivers should know.
One thing to help newbie off roaders is to explain what this LOW RANGE gear box is used for. Many new folks in their new to them 4x4's do not know when to change into low range while out on the trail.
I had a guy who radioed me and said his tranny gauge was showing " too Hot"
We had been climbing up a steep, slow forest road in the Mt Taylor area. I had been in low range for at least an hour. We stopped and tried to figure out why a nearly new Jeep Rubicon would be overheating. Found out he was new to true off roading and he had never had his rig in 4LOW. We suggested he try that and he did, and the tranny temp stayed in normal range from then on.
I now let folks know when I plan to shift into Low Range, when I am leading a ride. And also when to shift back into high range. Still their choice, though.

Airing down is important for better traction and a smoother ride off road. It is easier on the drive train, too, when driving in rocky areas with ledges. Over inflated tires will loose traction and bounce more. That's extra strain on the gears, and axles.
If you are on a group ride, it is good to know who is new to the sport. I post rides on NM4Wheelers website, and I list all the required equipment for any ride I lead. A new person might not know of all the ways to air up their tires after the ride. So they avoid airing down. I offer to air up their tires and have them use my equipment , for the hands on experience. Discuss how low to air down their rig's tires.
I mention CO2 tanks, fast and can run air tools too. if needed. , portable air pumps that connect to the Battery, not the cigarette lighter plug,( I got a good story about that) , or an on board air system with a tank. I've had all of these air up tools, all good ways to air up tires off road.
I had a guy who just would not air down his tires for a ride down at Gordy's Hill. When we got to a long, steep rocky climb, he could not get traction. After several failed attempts, He finally agreed to air down and he got to the top. He learned the hard way, but he now airs down and has a portable air pump with him.
That's couple of tips that we all had to learn when we first went off road. 4x4's are selling fast and there is a learning curve to using them correctly.

Add to this list, thanks.
 
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A few more tips that new 4x4's drivers should know.

" I now let folks know when I plan to shift into Low Range, when I am leading a ride. And also when to shift back into high range. Still their choice, though."


Add to this list, thanks.
I've been leading runs at a 100/200 series event around Silverton for several years. I generally volunteer to lead the easy, beginner runs. I get lots of people who've never been off-pavement or used low range. So I always start those runs with some education, tire pressure suggestions, discussions about when and why to use low range, and if equipped what the "2nd Start" button is for (to bypass 1st gear in low range for vehicles with automatics) Then I call out on the radio when I'm shifting Hi to Lo and back so they have a sense of when to do it.
 
Communication!
I still cringe thinking about that HDC trip l led in the San Juans years ago and failing to conduct a tailgate safety meeting before heading down the Blackbear Pass switchbacks. We had some newbies who could have used a headsup. After surviving that we went directly up Imogene.

And indeed, there was a fatality on Imogene the very next week.

As far as CO2.... I've been using a Powertank for years but have recently been relying on a compressor as the twin cylinder ARB is almost as fast as CO2. Back in the day i could get my tank filled at TriGas. Now, they only do tank exchanges. Which is good, I guess, as they are responsible for the pressure test. But I don't miss the hassle and expense. Santa Fe is the nearest supplier for me, an hour+ drive.
 
Great writeup Juane, thanks for doing that. I enjoy reading stories like these.
 
Before I went north I bought a nice Viair compressor. I also took my CO2. During the trip I almost exclusively used the Viair. CO2 is faster, and more convenient. But, the compressor rocked and got the job done.
 
How do you all prepare for vehicle breakdowns on a trail? Think of the young adult who bought the only 4x4 they could afford.
 
How do you all prepare for vehicle breakdowns on a trail? Think of the young adult who bought the only 4x4 they could afford.
I would encourage that young adult to invite somebody like you when going out deep into the bush. Or perhaps carry a satellite inreach to call or text if in trouble.
 
I would encourage that young adult to invite somebody like you when going out deep into the bush. Or perhaps carry a satellite inreach to call or text if in trouble.
LOL! How did you know we always have duct tape and bailing wire? 🤣 The satellite phone is a good idea. Climbing a mountain to use a cell is unappealing.
 
Before I went north I bought a nice Viair compressor. I also took my CO2. During the trip I almost exclusively used the Viair. CO2 is faster, and more convenient. But, the compressor rocked and got the job done.
I also prefer unlimited air for free!
 
I got the 80 stuck in that exact spot back in May. I had tried to be clever and turn around in a clever way but ended up with the passenger side hanging over the void and the rear bumper stuck solid against the side of the washout. Hiked to the school near Ojo before getting phone service, and when rescue came it wasn't much hassle getting it out. Thankfully it was morning when I got stuck and we got out before dark.
 
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