actual HDJ81 prices in Japan
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drifter dave said:
my answer is the same as Stone.
Anyone is very free to say what they paid for their truck. As imagined there is no way a business importer will disclose his cost value.
Remember the high end importers are not bringing in the standard fair that the average joe bids on.....The high end importers have guys in Japan who line them up with good unit that are expensive. Thus giving a more reliable product.
Not saying you could not import yourself a truck. A good one at that. But the risks are more inherent.
expat said:
Like any population, a very few use the vehicle as it was designed for. The rest settle for the image. There's a pretty good chance that in a blind stab, you'll get a 4x4 that hasn't been off road.
Kalawang
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Most HDJ81's coming out of Japan are clean and rust-free. The fact is that these trucks just don't get wheeled in Japan. They are also generally well maintained (the Japanese are sticklers for maintenance).
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The LCs/81s coming out of Japan are clean and rust free because they are coming from auctions and the importers are putting plenty of good time, money and effort out there to bring in good vehicles. Good on them.
These vehicles also do get wheeled very hard. Just not the ones that are going to auctions for export/sale. Some may make it to the auctions but the importers will/should not even consider it worthy of a bid. (very few anyway) Most of the "wheeled" hard ones get parted out to friends and junk/engine yards.
On one note I would have to say that Japanese are not sticklers for vehicle maintenance but rather sticklers for vehicles that require little maintenance.. (Heck, you can't even find a gas station where you can pump your own gas let alone a place to change fluids.) Routine maintenance is most likely done on vehicles when the vehicle is up for Shakken inspection. Until the next Shakken inspection the majority of Japanese will do little/no maintenance. However, this is when the inspector is a stickler for maintenance not the everyday Japanese is a stickler for vehicle maintanance. These Shakken inspections occur every year or every two years depending on the plate number. A vehicle could go for a couple of years with big problems and the inspector is the one to point out the problem(s). If the problem(s) is severe enough and costly to fix the driver/owner will sell said vehicle and buy a new one. So where does that vehicle go? Auction, maybe? That is all the stuff the importers will have to sort through.
It is not easy to find good vehicles that are ready for a customer's inspection in North America. I can find cruisers all day long for cheap but nothing I would stake my reputation on for a business.(I'm not an exporter in anyway) Reputable importers are worth their weight in gold and are deserving of a fair profit and a for their effort. They sort through a bunch of crap to bring you guys good cruisers, trust me.
Most HDJ81's coming out of Japan are clean and rust-free. The fact is that these trucks just don't get wheeled in Japan. They are also generally well maintained (the Japanese are sticklers for maintenance).
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The LCs/81s coming out of Japan are clean and rust free because they are coming from auctions and the importers are putting plenty of good time, money and effort out there to bring in good vehicles. Good on them.
These vehicles also do get wheeled very hard. Just not the ones that are going to auctions for export/sale. Some may make it to the auctions but the importers will/should not even consider it worthy of a bid. (very few anyway) Most of the "wheeled" hard ones get parted out to friends and junk/engine yards.
On one note I would have to say that Japanese are not sticklers for vehicle maintenance but rather sticklers for vehicles that require little maintenance.. (Heck, you can't even find a gas station where you can pump your own gas let alone a place to change fluids.) Routine maintenance is most likely done on vehicles when the vehicle is up for Shakken inspection. Until the next Shakken inspection the majority of Japanese will do little/no maintenance. However, this is when the inspector is a stickler for maintenance not the everyday Japanese is a stickler for vehicle maintanance. These Shakken inspections occur every year or every two years depending on the plate number. A vehicle could go for a couple of years with big problems and the inspector is the one to point out the problem(s). If the problem(s) is severe enough and costly to fix the driver/owner will sell said vehicle and buy a new one. So where does that vehicle go? Auction, maybe? That is all the stuff the importers will have to sort through.
It is not easy to find good vehicles that are ready for a customer's inspection in North America. I can find cruisers all day long for cheap but nothing I would stake my reputation on for a business.(I'm not an exporter in anyway) Reputable importers are worth their weight in gold and are deserving of a fair profit and a
for their effort. They sort through a bunch of crap to bring you guys good cruisers, trust me.
PacToy said:These vehicles also do get wheeled very hard. Just not the ones that are going to auctions for export/sale. Some may make it to the auctions but the importers will/should not even consider it worthy of a bid. (very few anyway) Most of the "wheeled" hard ones get parted out to friends and junk/engine yards.
It is not easy to find good vehicles that are ready for a customer's inspection in North America. I can find cruisers all day long for cheap but nothing I would stake my reputation on for a business.(I'm not an exporter in anyway) Reputable importers are worth their weight in gold and are deserving of a fair profit and a
Well said. Same thing could be said for takeouts.
gb
I spent some time pricing JDM 80's. Found a site that had the sale prices.. I put them into a spreadsheet.
All were 90/91 HDJ81's.
Start and Sell are in Yen.
Milage Grade Start Sell $CAD
120000 3 320000 746000 $8,717.76
132000 3.5 250000 696000 $8,133.46
168000 3 500000 720000 $8,413.92
258000 3 1000 495000 $5,784.57
163000 MT 2 350000 915000 $10,692.69
110000 4B 280000 830000 $9,699.38
155000 4b 250000 685000 $8,004.91
275000 A 10000 522000 $6,100.09
162000 3 170000 724000 $8,460.66
151000 A 420000 855000 $9,991.53
173000 0 370000 799000 $9,337.11
174000 3 250000 730000 $8,530.78
190000 10P 180000 655000 $7,654.33
155000 4B 350000 680000 $7,946.48
Avg. Milage: 170,429
Avg. Price: CAD$8,390.55
With commissions, shipping, etc... I figured it was CAD$12,000 to have an 81 in Vancouver. But then, I never did anything with this. This information is about 6 months old. I can't remember the site I used to get these prices but they listed all the recent sale prices at the auctions.
Peter Straub
All were 90/91 HDJ81's.
Start and Sell are in Yen.
Milage Grade Start Sell $CAD
120000 3 320000 746000 $8,717.76
132000 3.5 250000 696000 $8,133.46
168000 3 500000 720000 $8,413.92
258000 3 1000 495000 $5,784.57
163000 MT 2 350000 915000 $10,692.69
110000 4B 280000 830000 $9,699.38
155000 4b 250000 685000 $8,004.91
275000 A 10000 522000 $6,100.09
162000 3 170000 724000 $8,460.66
151000 A 420000 855000 $9,991.53
173000 0 370000 799000 $9,337.11
174000 3 250000 730000 $8,530.78
190000 10P 180000 655000 $7,654.33
155000 4B 350000 680000 $7,946.48
Avg. Milage: 170,429
Avg. Price: CAD$8,390.55
With commissions, shipping, etc... I figured it was CAD$12,000 to have an 81 in Vancouver. But then, I never did anything with this. This information is about 6 months old. I can't remember the site I used to get these prices but they listed all the recent sale prices at the auctions.
Peter Straub
Behemoth60 said:
here you go Peter:
http://english.auto.vl.ru/auctions/
great for specs and selling prices
nickw said:
Nick i doubt they make even that much , unless you pay the full asking price there are so many importers popping up now that the prices are really comming down , all though i would ehco what you and everone else has said . you get what you pay for , and the peace of mind from having some one else import a truck with a potential blown head gasket or other problem's is worth the couple of extra grand profit they make , if you want to save some money on the importing and have patience i would sugest asking one of the importers to have the broker in japan to look for a cosmeticaly challenged lower km truck to bring in for you specifcaly i doesn't have to be completley beat up to save you some money either, just one that wont go for top dollar at the auction .
I'm wondering what happened to my thread "Why hasn't this truck sold?" Three pages and a lot of info on importing etc.
The thread magically disappeared a while back. Maybe the deletor would like to tell us why?
It doesnt take much to work out how much is loaded on.
You merely hunt down japanese auction sites,find out what they go for and look at the prices of similarly priced vehicles where you are.
If you get lucky you may even find the same rig in japan for sale in your backyard.
The vendors dont rule the forum. By being obnoxious and overbearing they are hardly likely to win customers.
So far this has been one of the more polite and harmonious forums.
Paid $7500 for my HDJ81 FOB. Landed it was between $11000-12000.
Can't really count bar tabs when you fly in and pick it up.
I'm sure you've seen the pictures of it.
Can't really count bar tabs when you fly in and pick it up.
I'm sure you've seen the pictures of it.
try this site for more info...
http://english.auto.vl.ru/auctions/
http://english.auto.vl.ru/auctions/
A blind stab isn't all that bad a deal if only for the fun of it but you can truly get stuck and you don't necessarily save. You have the cost of learning if you aren't already an importer. You become a nuisance for the clerks asking questions and directions that the regular importers don't have to ask. The cost of dealing with the documentation and other requirements is pretty much the same in terms of time and labor for one unit as for 50 or more, except that the beginner will actually labor more and wander about in a daze looking for the right offices, people and signatures. Towards the end, if you get that far, you'll also have a desperate race to find and hire a hauler or try to drive the unit home yourself, if they'll let you. You'll also be faced with the problems of finally looking at an unknown truck that you've already spent a lot of money on.
For myself, I would prefer to go to an auction yard and examine the available units that I can drive home myself. Granted it costs a bit more. However I have the advantage of being able to closely examine what I'm paying for as against a blind stab. Importers make a living by the large numbers. They have to buy and sell a lot to make a living, and are set up with the knowledge and equipment needed to do so successfully. Curbers are amateurs who are just exploring the business.
I would not truly advise a blind stab unless you have a lot of time and money. It's not so much the chances of getting a total disaster, though that can also happen, as all the things you don't know how to do and having to do them all in a very short amount of time and for such a small reward.
Kalawang
For myself, I would prefer to go to an auction yard and examine the available units that I can drive home myself. Granted it costs a bit more. However I have the advantage of being able to closely examine what I'm paying for as against a blind stab. Importers make a living by the large numbers. They have to buy and sell a lot to make a living, and are set up with the knowledge and equipment needed to do so successfully. Curbers are amateurs who are just exploring the business.
I would not truly advise a blind stab unless you have a lot of time and money. It's not so much the chances of getting a total disaster, though that can also happen, as all the things you don't know how to do and having to do them all in a very short amount of time and for such a small reward.
Kalawang
I have not seen it or deleted it. Did you check under your own name for threads created by your username?
I checked and couldn't find it. If it existed, it seems to be gone now.