Well the paint job is coming along. Just a few pics during the deconstruction phase of the lx just before body work and primer. I really can't wait to see it sprayed!!!!!! I am very anxious to see it in one solid color rather than the two-tone..
98 Smoky Topaz Mica Paint Update
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You'll love it. My '99 is Smokey Topaz Mica. The color looks very different in different lights. It appears much lighter in full bright sunlight, but with less light it takes on a very rich, deep hue that is hard to explain...but is beautiful IMO.
'98-'99 year models had some serious 'fading' problems with that color however. It is not the clear-coat but the 'pigment' itself that fades.
Once you get it repainted.....I think you'll really like it.
Flint.
Were there any other significant issues with the ‘99 year model 470’s since it was early in the new design?
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Not to my knowledge. Im now at about 250k and have had no issues outside of normal wear and tear items. I wouldn't trade it for anything!!
No. The front diff is a two pinion design (not the strongest) but if you don't spin the tires wildly and have them suddenly catch (get traction) you shouldn't have any trouble with it.
No, it's the other way around. 98-99s are the most robust. They're basically 80 series with a V8. It was all downhill from there. Toyota wasn't focused on durability at all - but on sophistication, electronification, regulation, cost, etc. This made everything more complex, less reliable, more difficult to repair and more expensive to repair. This was true of all Toyotas over that period, maybe all cars. That was an important decade in the trend to disposable cars.
LOL yes the 2 pinion diff is a marvelously sturdy unit.
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I would disagree with this (U.S. Market) unless we are talking about the 105 series (solid front axle,), not available in the U.S.
I'd love to have a 105 series, rear locker, manual trans.
Why did everyone else get all the good stuff?Exactly, it's pretty much indestructible for the way most people use their 100 series, as it was for the 80 series, where the issue does not even seem to be on the radar screen. The "problem" seems to be a classic internet fueled exaggeration.
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Two pinion unlocked front third members in the 80 are weak too. The elocked thirds use a four pinion diff, which is stronger/desirable.
On top of that, the gearing is higher in the 80 and the engine is weaker.
You're arguing stupidly. The earliest models are mechanically inferior in this regard to the later models.
As I just edited above, the 2 pinion "problem" is a classic internet fueled myth. The ratio of actual problems to speculation about the problem is ridiculously low. What makes the 98-99s so robust is the Japanese made non-VVT non-interference engine, the 95-99 A343F transmission, and very importantly, what it doesn't have, like VSC and the other electronic silliness. Early stability control systems are not aging that well and it's likely to get worse. There is an inevitably a cost to complexity. I'm not arguing better or worse, or mechanically inferior or superior. I'm talking simple, robust, easy to take care of. These are the things that the collector car market values greatly, and the 98-99s are likely do very well in that respect.
IMO, the 98/99 may be the bastard years nobody wants because of everything just mentioned. The valuable ones will be the later models with all of their features working.
Realistically, the 98/99 trucks will gain value because of rarity, in that, they got cheap first and abused first, so the number of clean examples remaining will be fewer. I personally don't think they'll have any more collectible value than the best ones, which came later. OEM rear lockers will be beneficial to the older trucks.
Just my opinion as someone who's been involved in and monitoring values of collector cars for decades. Surprises do happen, though.
Realistically, the 98/99 trucks will gain value because of rarity, in that, they got cheap first and abused first, so the number of clean examples remaining will be fewer. I personally don't think they'll have any more collectible value than the best ones, which came later. OEM rear lockers will be beneficial to the older trucks.
Just my opinion as someone who's been involved in and monitoring values of collector cars for decades. Surprises do happen, though.
CloudCity
LuxCruisers
This 2000 MY pulled a decent price: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-toyota-land-cruiser-4/
I believe the 06/07 lx 470s are and always will be more valuable than the 98/99 lc
Especially with night view
It has been well established that night view is a deduction. I will grant you that it's going to be a while before 98-99s are more valuable than 06-07s.
You say the 98-99 models have a Japanese Engine.
What country manufactured the engines from 00-07?
Please post a source for your info too, that would help.
CloudCity
LuxCruisers
I disagree on Night View, while NukeGoat is playfully following his passion with his comments I am actually serious when I say that I would have rather had it on my rig than not, but I also love electronic gimmicks and it seems fun to use and potentially useful here with our fog and rain.
I think you're right about the later years being more valuable, the early rigs seems to interest those looking for purely offroad or overland vehicles, but the later models tent to attract people seeking to use them as family cars or daily drivers, and thus want them in near-stock condition.
The 4spd auto in the early rigs alone is enough for me to not want to get one. If I am going to put up with those lazy autos and horrible gearing, might as well just get an 80 with the weaker motor for the full experience of ancient Toyota engineering. And the 80 you can build into a very serious contender unlike a 100.
This man speaks truth
I would rather ride a bicycle with Night View than drive a 1998 cruiser without it.
Seriously though, how is it a deduction? You can just replace the windshield with a non-night-view windshield. It's like a non-critical feature you can disable if it breaks. Seems hard to be a net negative to me.
