70 series. What is the best engine to import? (1 Viewer)

[ozcrusier]

The stop gap engines as beno stated are bullet proof by design and gear driven with no timing belt. The fuel pump runs on engine oil and can out last the engine but there down fall is the pistons as they tend to flog out the ring lands around 300.000 K.
The H series engines are truck type sluggers with torque and the 1HZ engines are more hwy engines.
Horses for courses so the 1hz would suit the family more with less insulation needed.

 

[Delancy]

You wanna put a Toyota drivetrain in a 7X that'll have you hanging on for dear life, in damn good way, that parts will remain readily available for the foreseeable future?

1FZ-FE/H151F/HF1A hands down, bar none, katybar the door because there's not a damn thing close that'll touch it.

I'd line up with Mr. Harris for pinks with, in a 'heartbeat'.

That said, 1HZ/H55F/BF1A is the logical choice for nearly the same reasons, being parts availability, any diesel tech that can change an oil filter can work on, and chit eating grins with every passing mile.

Considering European LHD HZJ73s are amassing, ready for the boat ride over, my suggestion is getting friendly with @joekatana in the near future.

 

[OGBeno]

@Delancy is up early.

@beno hasn't slept.



Two sides of the same coin?

1FZ guy vs the 1HZ adherent.

 

[AndrewHadji]

Add another $7-10k to that amount in the end.

I'm being serious.

This cannot be stated enough. Many folks think that buying a 70 series from anyone (private seller, LCD etc etc) is the same as a "certified" used car.

Its 25 years old at least, its going to need some TLC and spares are a must. You are going to spend a little coin getting the drivetrain back to "bulletproof", let alone cosmetics and if you get a nice example with little rust, the few rust repairs.

I would at least recommend (what i did)
Timing belt
Water pump
Fuel filters
replace ALL softlines (even brakes!)
compression test ( gauge of engine health)
Spare alty, starter, fuel pump
ALL fluids (DUH)

Then as time and coin permits, start looking at things that can go wrong and get spares. For example my speedo cable howls in the winter, ill be re lubbing that soon, replacing the stock alty and ground cables, they put up a good fight for 25 yrs, but they are in bad shape.

When my clutch goes, im probably going to budget for throwout bearings, plate, clutch and whatever else can be replaced while its out.

Slowly you will have a mini parts store of brake master cylinders, slave cylinders, fuel pumps (pricy!)

beno, steve and Kurt should be in you phone at all times

 

[DanMedeiros]

You wanna put a Toyota drivetrain in a 7X that'll have you hanging on for dear life, in damn good way, that parts will remain readily available for the foreseeable future?

1FZ-FE/H151F/HF1A hands down, bar none, katybar the door because there's not a damn thing close that'll touch it.

I'd line up with Mr. Harris for pinks with, in a 'heartbeat'.

That said, 1HZ/H55F/BF1A is the logical choice for nearly the same reasons, being parts availability, any diesel tech that can change an oil filter can work on, and chit eating grins with every passing mile.

Considering European LHD HZJ73s are amassing, ready for the boat ride over, my suggestion is getting friendly with @joekatana in the near future.

I am a fan of the 1FZ-Fe in my 80. I bet it feels a lot more powerful in a 70. I never see the LHD euro ones on LCD. Is there an importer who specializes in them?

 

[DanMedeiros]

Add another $7-10k to that amount in the end.

I'm being serious.

Well that's a bit discouraging. Hopefully that's not right after buying it! That would really eat into the budget for my 80. I do understand though that it's going to need a lot of maintenance and then all the off-road goodies we would want on there

 

[DanMedeiros]

The stop gap engines as beno stated are bullet proof by design and gear driven with no timing belt. The fuel pump runs on engine oil and can out last the engine but there down fall is the pistons as they tend to flog out the ring lands around 300.000 K.
The H series engines are truck type sluggers with torque and the 1HZ engines are more hwy engines.
Horses for courses so the 1hz would suit the family more with less insulation needed.

Does the 1hz have a timing belt? If so what is the interval to change it?

 

[77cruiser77]

For what it's worth I find the 1HZ a smoother but less powerful engine on the hwy than the 12HT but wheels 10x better and a turbo will leave the 12HT in the dust. The 1HZ naturally aspirated will leave the 13BT in the dust and still wheels better as the throttle isn't as sensitive and has a better rev range. This is my personal experience owning these engines and wheeling with others with these engines. My complaint with the 1HZ is no turbo and IDI. IDI however is an advantage if you're entertaining the idea of WVO or BioDiesel

 

[AndrewHadji]

Does the 1hz have a timing belt? If so what is the interval to change it?

Yes. 100k kms is when my reminder turns on

1hz Timing Belt Change

 

[DanMedeiros]

Anybody have advise on mud approved importers to work with? I am only familiar with LCD. Is there anybody good on the west coast?

 

[rick_d]

due to your location a non north american gas powered truck would be suicidal. You would import and never be able to register in home state of california.

vote again 1hz, but please be warned that at the current time, toyota sales of the united state has taken many 70 series parts off the supply list including the timing belt which at last count 378 sat in the central warehouse in Ontario, CA. but multiple dealers had zero success aquiring one to sell to me. You can get them from ENS in saskatoon, $57 CDN each (for a part that was $18 US discount at US dealers). Valve shims are also off the list. simple service stuff.

i gave up on all other series as the 70 is still parts supported worldwide, the comfort is waaaay above a 40 series and is asimple truck vs an 80/100.

 

[RhinoRig]

I love my troopy (2H engine), but no turbo at altitude makes it more of a pig than it usually is. I don't really care, I just go slow. When I rebuild the engine someday, I'll probably add a turbo. Or if I win the lottery, swap out a 1HD-T.

Seems wise. This is going to be more expensive than I thought. The truck is for my wife, since we all ready have an 80 I was trying to convince her to get a old Toyota truck. She isn't having it. I made the mistake of showing her a sweet 73 from LCD LOL!

My wife insisted on our HDJ81 (gotta love my woman!) because she loves the 80 we've had for a while and wanted the same thing. SHE was the one that wanted the RHD diesel (again, love her). I tried talking her into a 100 or lower milage 80... nothin doin. We've had it comp tested (came out great!) and it's getting the BEBs, valve adj, timing belt, etc currently done ($$). The brakes need love, the rear pinion seal is gone, a front end service is due and maybe new birfields, and the alternator might be shot ($$$). And that's just the obvious stuff. The 1HD-T engine is awesome at altitude, but not as strong or peppy as the gas 1FZ-FE. But we got interested in diesels when gas was $5/gal. The 1HD-T gets 17mpg while the gas gets 12mpg (my PU with the tiny 22RE gets 19-20mpg).

Add another $7-10k to that amount in the end.

I'm being serious.

Harrumph, Harrumph! All of our LCs have cost us a bunch of money, more than ever anticipated! On our third project now and kinda used to it. My pickup is super cheap to keep rolling: alternators cost $120 for the PU, $225 for the FZJ80, and $635 for the HDJ81! If I didn't have a cool wife, we'd be driving normal boring cars... and my truck.

 

[DamoPeru]

Well that's a bit discouraging. Hopefully that's not right after buying it! That would really eat into the budget for my 80. I do understand though that it's going to need a lot of maintenance and then all the off-road goodies we would want on there

If you got an Australian one in particular, i would expect most rubber parts to fail within a short period of time, amongst other things, even if its good when you get it... Apart from being 25 years older, the rubber and plastic has lived in an all year round warm climate all its life and possibly never once seen freezing temperatures. Extract it from its natural environment and place it in another and you have to expect some things to go belly up.

For me the 1HZ is a no brainer, simply because its still in production. One way or another you will always get those parts for a very long time into the future

 

[OGBeno]

due to your location a non north american gas powered truck would be suicidal. You would import and never be able to register in home state of california.

vote again 1hz, but please be warned that at the current time, toyota sales of the united state has taken many 70 series parts off the supply list including the timing belt which at last count 378 sat in the central warehouse in Ontario, CA. but multiple dealers had zero success aquiring one to sell to me. You can get them from ENS in saskatoon, $57 CDN each (for a part that was $18 US discount at US dealers). Valve shims are also off the list. simple service stuff.

i gave up on all other series as the 70 is still parts supported worldwide, the comfort is waaaay above a 40 series and is asimple truck vs an 80/100.

@rick_d is absolutely correct. 1HZ parts are getting **very** difficult to get through normal Toyota supply lines like they were just 6-8 months ago. Toyota is waking up unfortunately.

That said, I am making a significant investment stocking these parts in the US now so that they are readily available. Others are as well.

 

[ozcrusier]

Does the 1hz have a timing belt? If so what is the interval to change it?

As above 100.000 K and best to change the water pump when your timing cover is removed.

 

[Eco 45]

Yes, all the cool kids have diesels, but if you step back and think about it you might be pleasantly surprised (powerful, smooth engine - USA parts availability - cloth top - LHD). If you drive in traffic, a Righty can get kind of old - just my 2 cents. Ask a RHD owner how often the get in the wrong door, signal turns with their windshield wipers, etc. - and then there are the questions such as "is that legal?", "is it hard to drive?" "is it safe?"

Suggest you ask your wife (or co-pilot) how they like sitting in the front passenger seat next to the center line and oncoming traffic without steering wheel, pedals or other elements of control over their destiny.......no, my wife is not a fan.......

Sort of like saying all the cool kids drive Harleys, but a moped will also get you there.

I could go on for quite some time about diesels, but one simple equation, a diesel powered rig will hold its value better than a gas.

RHD vehicles open up so many more possibilities for models and availability. South of the boarder you have to deal with bondo and no heaters. They know American's want these vehicles so they shine them up like MAACO and ship them north. And just remember, driving RHD is so easy a government employee can do it daily (mail workers)!

This is a great article: Why Your Next 4WD Should be a Right Hand Drive

I actually switch back and forth sometimes daily from LHD to RHD---in the end it is a mind set. Some of the most memorable family trips I have had have been in RHD vehicles all over the US. Yes, some people should only drive LHD vehicles and very limited if possible. But don't limit your options by being stuck on LHD. Life is too short to drive something normal.

 

[broth9640]

^^^^Spot On^^^^

 

[broth9640]

" Life is too short to drive something normal."

Worthy of your sig line.

 

[DanMedeiros]

Hey Guys,

Thanks for all the advice in this thread. The wife and I are committed to importing a shortish wheel base 70 with the 1HZ. She really like the shortest ones. Are these available with a 1HZ?

 

[Postie]

Keep an eye out on trademe.co.nz a New Zealnd buy and sell site. Hzj73 become available fairly regulr and a small country means low miles.