2F side panel gasket ? Concerns (1 Viewer)

[love2fly]

We are now assembling our 2F engine with all the covers and such. Yesterday we installed the oil pan and today we installed the side panel. With those two items installed we wanted to put some oil in the pan to keep things wet. Now with that done we found the side panel seeping new oil in two areas on the bottom edge. Now this would not bother me much but I started thinking of the engine gasket kit that we bought from SOR in CA. What I was thinking was that the one piece oil pan gasket looked more like hard rubber as did the side cover gasket. I have never used this type before. I have always had the cork gasket that looks like cork and feels like cork. I am now concerned that we may be in big trouble with this type of gasket especially the oil pan. I always straight edge all covers to see if they are warped and I also flatten the blot holes if they are coned from the bolt torque's. So I know all the items were checked in that aspect. Question - anyone use this type of gasket from SOR before with good results compared to good old cork? If we have too we will replace this gasket with real cork.
Thanks in advance.

All bolts were torqued in the correct manner @ 35 in-lbs

 

[Sully73FJ40]

I believe that same rubber style gasket is what I got from cc and was asking about it last night as I'm about to put on a new oil pan. I spoke to a guy today and he told me with those rubber like gaskets not to use any of the permatrax sealant because it would create a slippery like area which would cause oil to seep. I wasn't really tracking so I'm sure I'm explaining what he said slightly wrong. I was told from everyone else to go with Toyota gaskets when I asked last night.

 

[igotta40]

Looks like you're doing everything right but I would suggest replacing those gaskets, and all gaskets, seals, etc. with OEM Toyota parts. Sad to say it will run into more $$ but it will be worth it in the long term. I assembled my 2F (Oct '75) when I got it back from the engine builder with factory gaskets in 2008 and have not lost one drop of oil. You especially don't want to second guess your choices of gasket material regarding the timing seal gaskets and front/rear crank seal. If they end up leaking on you, well, enough said...

Good Luck!

 

[Michael Hanson]

After replacing cork with rubber years ago and having 2 blow out under load ,I replaced with cork and never used rubber gaskets again. MIke

 

[Fast Eddy]

It's worth getting the OEM gaskets from Toyota and doing it right. For the side cover, assuming it's straight, you should only have to moisten the gasket with some oil and not over tighten. The torque spec is in inch-lbs and is amazingly light.

For the oil pan gasket I use FIPG on the corners only at the rear and the corners and the flats, top and bottom, at the front. Use plenty of brake cleaner where you're going to apply the FIPG.

I like the method of tying the gasket to the pan with cotton string at half the holes and cutting the sting out as you insert bolts. Works great.

 

[slickrock]

It's worth getting the OEM gaskets from Toyota and doing it right. For the side cover, assuming it's straight, you should only have to moisten the gasket with some oil and not over tighten. The torque spec is in inch-lbs and is amazingly light.

For the oil pan gasket I use FIPG on the corners only at the rear and the corners and the flats, top and bottom, at the front. Use plenty of brake cleaner where you're going to apply the FIPG.

I like the method of tying the gasket to the pan with cotton string at half the holes and cutting the sting out as you insert bolts. Works great.

Eddy is right. I didn't pay attention and torqued to foot pounds. Not only did it bend the cover and ruin the gasket, it also dumped oil down my driveway, up my street, back and forth as I did a 3 point turn, down my street, back on the driveway, and on my garage floor. I used many bags of kitty liter to clean up the street and my property. I got funny looks walking down the street carrying and pouring bags of litter and then while i dragged my trashcan and dust panned it all into the trash. Lesson learned.

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[love2fly]

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Yeah my gut feeling is that I will have to pull down the oil pan and pull the side cover as I did use some permatex sealing compound. What is with the after market crowd, CC and SOR it seems to be getting more and more on the crap side of things in quality. They may be saving a dine by buying made in China stuff but its costing us more to back track.
Live and learn. I am going to avoid that market and try to use more fatory equipment.

 

[slickrock]

Yeah my gut feeling is that I will have to pull down the oil pan and pull the side cover as I did use some permatex sealing compound. What is with the after market crowd, CC and SOR it seems to be getting more and more on the crap side of things in quality. They may be saving a dine by buying made in China stuff but its costing us more to back track.
Live and learn. I am going to avoid that market and try to use more fatory equipment.

I bought/buy many of my parts through Mark at Mark's Off-Road since I needed a new dented side cover for a dizzy upgrade. Did the gaskets all around then. He uses all Toyota gaskets and checks any rebirthed parts very carefully for defects. Next time, check with him when you need something and he doesn't charge a "I had to touch the part to get it off the shelf and had to do my job, which I am already paid to do and pack and ship" fee that certain larger vendors charge to privilege you by doing business with you.

Calling him and knowing generally what you need will be the best because he doesn't have a lot of time to respond to emails while at his shop.

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[Fast Eddy]

I bought/buy many of my parts through Mark at Mark's Off-Road ... he doesn't have a lot of time to respond to emails while at his shop.

If he even has an email address I'm surprised.

 

[slickrock]

If he even has an email address I'm surprised.

He did at one time. I think it was mark@marksoffroad.net. But it looks like he removed it from his site. I don't think he even has a cell phone. Most likely his phone is large wood stained box attached to the wall with two bells on the top face for the ringer, a megaphone shaped talk piece that he has to stick his face up to to talk, and a short cord with a smaller megaphone that he holds to his ear to hear out of. Either that or he upgraded to a big yellow rotatory dial phone he found in the back of a cruiser that he found under a massive blackberry bush.

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[1911]

It's worth getting the OEM gaskets from Toyota and doing it right. For the side cover, assuming it's straight, you should only have to moisten the gasket with some oil and not over tighten. The torque spec is in inch-lbs and is amazingly light.

+1, OEM gaskets are the only way to go. Also very important as Eddy mentioned to straighten the mating surface(s) of both the side cover and the oil pan, many of which have been bent by PO prying them off. And not to over-tighten the cork (and squeeze it out), which is too easy to do without an inch-pounds torque wrench. Mine don't leak at all.

 

[Sam Stewart]

You need one of these:

If it's cork, you should always go back with cork. Oil pan should be cork too.

 

[myquestoyota]

Well, the machine shop that has my block also ordered the engine kit for me, we'll see what gaskets it has.. Everyone has been so adamant about letting the machine shop source parts that I went that way. As a side note, after searching for the best price on a set of timing gears I finally asked him what his price was. Less than half of what I was finding. Had him order those as well. If it has rubber pan and side cover gaskets I will most likely order the OEM Toyota for those. Any other gaskets I should be concerned about? Timing cover maybe?

 

[love2fly]

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As stated in the original post I know how to prep the work area, and I did. I know all about torques , and belive me I even know about gasket materials, but I this is one of those "I knew better" but "didn't" moments that everyone of us has done at sometime in our life. I guess it could be worst, I could be to that moment were we fire the engine up and it starts to spew oil on the floor and in the streets. Is funny cork has been around since who knows when, and has been used in so many applications with great results in all industries, so one simple application were we know it works as time has proven and yet we still try to change something that works. Cork, it good for wine bottles and gasket material.........from the dealer.

 

[grant5127]

As a side note, after searching for the best price on a set of timing gears I finally asked him what his price was. Less than half of what I was finding.

I find aftermarket cam timing gears all all metal with no rubber damper ring like OEM,(hence 1/2 price) without you'll end up and aggravating noise you won't like.........

 

[Pighead]

But you won't have to worry about the cam gear separating.