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[grinchy]

Nobody wants my sorry rig on any hubs or anywhere else
Consider 110.1 or 110.5 for the hub. I see 110.1 in lots of places
I know folks like poke, but 34” sizes are best around +40 offset and 35” at +35.
The lower numbers like +25 give better kdss clearance, but scrub is way off, and lx doesn’t have kdss.
It may be that we need a tlc and lx sku because of this, or a poke and no poke offset option.

 

[SharpeCat]

Nobody wants my sorry rig on any hubs or anywhere else
Consider 110.1 or 110.5 for the hub. I see 110.1 in lots of places
I know folks like poke, but 34” sizes are best around +40 offset and 35” at +35.
The lower numbers like +25 give better kdss clearance, but scrub is way off, and lx doesn’t have kdss.
It may be that we need a tlc and lx sku because of this, or a poke and no poke offset option.

Sweet, glad you are on board with that one

So i should get them in +40 and maybe a few (5?) at +35 for the 35 folks? What is perfect offset for 33s? I see most mudders are actually on 33s.

So 110.1 or 110.5? That one i am unsure of as i see some as high as 113 and claimed to be perfect fit for the 200s, like the huntsman. I think the tire (or tyre) standard in AU is 33 inches, and they even have laws against "BIG TYRES".

I'm also confused as they set it at
+30 for 33" tires, and you have it at
+40 for 34" and
+35 for "35"

Not my area of expertise, but i don't want to get it wrong either. Thoughts?

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[grinchy]

Sweet, glad you are on board with that one

So i should get them in +40 and maybe a few (5?) at +35 for the 35 folks? What is perfect offset for 33s? I see most mudders are actually on 33s.

By scrub radius? Probably +45. It’s been a bit since I was in the tire calculator.
Problem is a 12.5” tire will need a lower offset for clearance. And skinnies like I run will want to sit at zero scrub. Just a lot of variables to control. Which is why even manufacturers will create several offsets in a single rim design.

 

[SharpeCat]

By scrub radius? Probably +45. It’s been a bit since I was in the tire calculator.
Problem is a 12.5” tire will need a lower offset for clearance. And skinnies like I run will want to sit at zero scrub. Just a lot of variables to control. Which is why even manufacturers will create several offsets in a single rim design.

Ahhh tire width is what i wasn't considering is why i was so confused.

I wonder what the most popular tire width is, and we should order the standard wheels for that offset. Other offsets will be a custom order/preorder, as in you have to let me know before production if you want something other than the default.

 

[lx200inAR]

Rock Warriors are +50mm and supposedly the right offset for 285/70R17 (32.71" by the math) for scrub radius. I don't know if a 295/70R17 (33.26") is considered a 33 or 34, but that would be on the other side of the spectrum for a 33", and probably closer to the +45mm estimate.

 

[jrmudder92]

Thanks, just curious. I love the look of a classic D-window steelie but not practical for me. Agree on the cost of RW. They aren't worth it IMO. I think lots of people fantasize about the ability to hammer a bent steel wheel back in shape when deep in the trail but wouldn't optimize for that almost 0% chance scenario.

This past weekend went out buddy in his cruiser took a hard hit bent the rim. took our mini sledgehammer and banged it out. in my wheeling time, this is about the 6th time we've had to do this on different trucks. So definitely not 0% but very rare

 

[SharpeCat]

Rock Warriors are +50mm and supposedly the right offset for 285/70R17 (32.71" by the math) for scrub radius. I don't know if a 295/70R17 (33.26") is considered a 33 or 34, but that would be on the other side of the spectrum for a 33", and probably closer to the +45mm estimate.

Thanks, thats the reference i needed. +45 i'll what i'll put as standard. Double posting to the Classifieds Tire and Wheels section.

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@jrmudder92 i think that's really awesome, also sounds like a workout XD.

 

[SharpeCat]

@grinchy i'm curious as to what Carol would quote for a set now, as freight shipping costs to the US has about tripled in past year or less. A GP20 container is about $10k now from china, as opposed to 3k a year ago. Covid has really made it hard to do international trade with the US, almost feels like we are being intentionally cut off from the rest of the world at times.

I talked to a few manufacturers who just outright does not want to deal with the US right now because of all the strings attached to covid, and most they're willing to do is ship it to a port (where i have to pay a customs agent and arrange for shipping from port).

 

[grinchy]

my quote was from two weeks ago, so that IS the current quote.

 

[SharpeCat]

my quote was from two weeks ago, so that IS the current quote.

Noted, for some reason i thought you were looking months ago.

 

[grinchy]

Noted, for some reason i thought you were looking months ago.

i've been tracking 17" steelies for a couple years, but never got around to buying a set. Still have good tread on my current 18" tires so although I want new rims, I don't need them . . .
Can also import the Toyota 17x7 or 17x8 from other regions for $750 to $850 (For 5). These will have +60 offset.

 

[SharpeCat]

i've been tracking 17" steelies for a couple years, but never got around to buying a set. Still have good tread on my current 18" tires so although I want new rims, I don't need them . . .
Can also import the Toyota 17x7 or 17x8 from other regions for $750 to $850 (For 5). These will have +60 offset.

+60 offset?? Must be made for stock tires?

I don’t imagine steelies varying much in terms of quality going from OEM to aftermarket, so just go for the best price? Right now I am looking at about $60 each shipped to NC (with almost half the cost being freight), and that’s for all non beadlocks at 1250kg capacity.

So we are looking at about 400-500 (300 plus domestic shipping) final cost (set of 5) shipped to doors of mudders, and about 300 for NC mudders who can pick it up from our RDU warehouse.

I’m also thinking 100 sets (500 wheels) should be more than enough to cover the mudders, and send extras over to tundra forums and go from there.

Then we look at tires!!!!!

Ok mud, who am I sending the sample set to for quality inspection?

I imagine it’s going to be the guy whose LX will be stamped on the caps amirite?

 

[grinchy]

send extras over to tundra forums and go from there.

Tundra aftermarket seems to be in the 25, 0, -18 offsets. Pickup drivers love the poke. What I'm saying is I don't know how much demand will crossover to that audience. Might get some play in the 100 forum though.

 

[onemanarmy]

Just curious....why all this work for wheels when you have wheels? You planning on wheeling this thing so hard you need 18s and real beefy sidewall and beadlocks?

 

[grinchy]

Might also be worth verifying the brake clearance on the inside of the rim before ending up with 500 rims that won't clear the brakes.

 

[SharpeCat]

Just curious....why all this work for wheels when you have wheels? You planning on wheeling this thing so hard you need 18s and real beefy sidewall and beadlocks?

No beadlocks, too high maintenance. I have reasons for going steelies and reasons for going down in rim size, and all are related to long-term durability/reliability/cost efficiency. The bonus is that the extra sidewall will help offroads.

I would like to not have to hold back when I wheel, but the occasional off road trips isn’t my biggest concern (it is close to the top). My biggest thing is long term maintenance.

Replacing one cracked set of alloys anytime over next 5 years will mean the steelies will out value even the cheaper alloy sets.

My current rims are 20 and tires are due soon, and the difference in cost of just 1 set of 20s vs 17s alone will pay for the set of steelies. Then each tire change at 17 in will give me additional value. I also plan on traveling the world in the LC one day, sooner than later, and 17 inches is a much more universal tire size than 20s or even 18s (correct me if I’m wrong).

When looking at the entire lifespan (or rest of it) of the vehicle, then going down to 17 and steelies seems like the lowest maintenance and most reliable setup. A part of reliability for me is parts availability, and finding 34in 20 rim diameter tire sizes easily is not something I could rely on. The peace of mind alone is worth quite a bit to me as well, knowing they are basically indestructible.

 

[SharpeCat]

Might also be worth verifying the brake clearance on the inside of the rim before ending up with 500 rims that won't clear the brakes.

Go up 2 posts and read my edit regarding quality inspection.

This is why I have mud to help, because I’d definitely screw something up and end up with 500 rims to send back.

Kinda wished I didn’t throw away the box with your address now.

 

[SharpeCat]

Tundra aftermarket seems to be in the 25, 0, -18 offsets. Pickup drivers love the poke. What I'm saying is I don't know how much demand will crossover to that audience. Might get some play in the 100 forum though.

Since this is custom batch, I could actually get some for every section and cover the 70s, 80s, 100, tundras tacomas and etc. Differences in offset are not important as that is something we can adjust before going into production. I think anywhere you have 4WD communities, there will be interest in steelies. It's just a matter of getting the word out and figuring out what the preferred specs are. We are only talking about 100 sets so i don't imagine it being too difficult.

I will work on cross posting and asking for ideal specs for the non 200s on mud as well, and portion out some sets to each section. If demand on mud is low i will look into adjusting specs for other forums.

 

[lx200inAR]

Everything that isn't a 100/200/2nd gen Tundra will have a different bolt pattern. Are they willing to customize within orders that much?


Edit: Also the 300 press release (so possibly 3rd gen tundra as well) shows they went back to 6-lug.

 

[SharpeCat]

Everything that isn't a 100/200/2nd gen Tundra will have a different bolt pattern. Are they willing to customize within orders that much?


Edit: Also the 300 press release (so possibly 3rd gen tundra as well) shows they went back to 6-lug.

From Kings, which i believe to be a rebrander. I will have a catalog for you guys with exact specs available. For reference.

This is pre production, where we are allowed the most flexibility. They mostly care that we get enough to fill at least 1 20ft container (about 530 17x8s without beadlocks and less if beadlocks involved).

Basically, they will send me an order form and i just put a quantity next to each one i want until i reach a full container. Then i put down a deposit, they produce what isn't already available and then ship it all out at once. Thats my guess.

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