For Sale 2004 Land Cruiser, 118k, Rust free, Immaculate Condition! New BFGs!! - $24900 (Fort Worth) (1 Viewer)

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Here is a link to the craigslist ad I just posted. This is a beautiful truck. Please email or text through the contact info on CL. I'm bad at checking the site.

2004 Land Cruiser, 118k, Rust free, Immaculate Condition! New BFGs!!
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Wow. Going for a 100% profit on a one month flip?

That car sold out of Nevada last month for something like $12-13K. How's the Carfax?




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While you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, I have to correct you on a couple things. First of all, that car didn't sell for anywhere near the price you suggested. Second, after spending nearly $5k in reconditioning and maintenance (not including shipping, wheels and tires, etc.) and at least 30 hours of my own hard work, that price is fairly consistent with the best examples on the market. Lastly and most importantly, I do NOT "flip" cars, I perfect them. I put all of my time and resources into every one of my projects to make them as new as possible and keep these on the road because they are the best cars you can buy, period. 200s are great (especially the new ones) but there is a reason people hold on to the 100 series. I didn't get in to this business to get rich, I did it because I'm passionate about Land Cruisers. After having owned 126 of them, I can tell you that $15k will buy you a high mileage example or one that just came down from the rust belt. Then again, I don't want to seem argumentative so let's just agree to disagree. Oh, and yes, the CARFAX is excellent.
 

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Yes, yes. You "perfect" them....
by stripping off ugly chrome Pep Boys crap, rubbing them down with a bunch of oily goop and then taking pictures for Craigslist with a gauzy filter effect.

This rig was on the market for under $15K by the dealer in Nevada. It sold for less.


As I like to say... don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining.

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Nice. I'm gonna watch this thread for the entertainment value alone...this seller usually has some nice trucks, but I think I'm inclined to agree that a flip is a flip. It's just business and we are all entitled to our opinion on a fair profit. The market usually corrects itself. This is a documented case---like it or not.
 
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Yes, yes. You "perfect" them....
by stripping off ugly chrome Pep Boys crap, rubbing them down with a bunch of oily goop and then taking pictures for Craigslist with a gauzy filter effect.

This rig was on the market for under $15K by the dealer in Nevada. It sold for less.


As I like to say... don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining.

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Ain't cached web pages great?

Wow, you certainly showed me! To be honest, I really don't wish to engage with you on the merits of my vehicles. You are correct about one thing-the chrome stuff they put on there was just revolting but everything else you said is simply untrue. I'm sure you are an expert in this field and have a wide berth of knowledge of what goes into the remarketing of vehicles but I don't know of this "oily goop" you speak of. I don't do anything half-assed and I'd appreciate you not projecting your opinions on to me. The entire car was professionally wet sanded, compounded and polished and all of my photos were taken on a regular iphone. There are no gauzy filters, just a lack of photographic ability on my part. I don't manipulate the images in any way and to suggest that I do so is an erroneous accusation. Also, you have no idea what the car sold for and unless you work for the dealership you're just using conjecture which I assume came from your Land Cruiser crystal ball. My reputation speaks for itself and I have sold cars to many people on this site, all of which have given me glowing recommendations. And while you are welcome to disagree with my pricing, do me the courtesy of not calling into question my methods or the quality of my work. If you're ever in Fort Worth be sure to drop in. I'd be happy to show you what we do and why my vehicles are the best on the market. Until then, have a Merry Christmas.
 

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If you want to flip rigs on MUD then expect to face some critical evaluation.
That's how it works.
So kindly save the faux outrage. And park the superiority complex somewhere else.

I don't claim to be an expert about anything. Just some guy who loathes what happens to the markets of certain vehicles after flippers get involved. I don't need a PhD in Land Cruisers or decades of experience as a used car sales drone to do a couple minutes of searching to post publicly available information, and then make some basic inferences.

At the end of the day, you're using this forum (and I do mean USING this forum) to market overpriced rigs as a business.
Absolutely Zero value add to this community. None.
Which is really the calling card of flippers.

Merry Christmas, right back at you.

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Isn’t this a sales listing? Since when is it a crime to let simple supply/demand work? Arbitrage (or flipping as you guys call it) has existed for ages and will continue unless some socialist a-holes decide “it’s not fair” for some people to profit for their effort while others pay for it.

@ace10 I just saw somebody buy a $25,000 147k example from a dealer and everyone said how it was a great buy.

I sold my 2006 with 150k for $21.5k earlier this year.

Personally as an owner I want values to go up. And yes Jonathan found me THREE examples that have been excellent ... they weren’t the cheapest yet they also aren’t complete basket cases. To each their own.

Capitalism is good last I checked.
 

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Isn’t this a sales listing? Since when is it a crime to let simple supply/demand work? Arbitrage (or flipping as you guys call it) has existed for ages and will continue unless some socialist a-holes decide “it’s not fair” for some people to profit for their effort while others pay for it.

@ace10 I just saw somebody buy a $25,000 147k example from a dealer and everyone said how it was a great buy.

I sold my 2006 with 150k for $21.5k earlier this year.

Personally as an owner I want values to go up. And yes Jonathan found me THREE examples that have been excellent ... they weren’t the cheapest yet they also aren’t complete basket cases. To each their own.

Capitalism is good last I checked.

If you want to buy from a flipper, that's your prerogative. Right? A licensed, law-abiding flipper, as is the case with the OP.

Not with the douchebage who posted immediately prior to you.
Cruisershack/D Marks is a lying curbstoner who steals money from people.
He bondos over rot and passes it off as pristine.
Oh, and he rolls back odos.
All while bragging about it.
I think we all can agree that scumbags like him are hurting everyone with whom he comes in contact. He is a garbage.


But back to the subject at hand... it sounds like you don't want others to have access to the information I have posted. And I cannot imagine why that's the case. Or am I mistaken?

You mentioned arbitrage in your post, so I assume you are finance-savvy... what are your thoughts on the "Efficient market hypothesis?" It's certainly relevant in this instance.

Have you ever been involved with a car brand or model which has been taken over by flippers? If you have, you'd know that it doesn't do any good to owners who want actually enjoy their vehicles. Whether for transportation or a hobby. It's happened a lot. And it sucks.

If you own a rig, an increasing market value on it DOES YOU ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD. It makes your insurance go up. You pay more property taxes(if applicable). The likelihood of it getting stolen increases. Where's the benefit? Oh, right, only if you sell it.

Capitalism is fine. Heck, it's great. But if someone is going to use a "free" resource, such as Mud, to peddle their goods then they have to be prepared to face a critical evaluation. Whether you like it, or not.
 
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It’s about hijacking someone’s for sale thread. @ace10 I singled you out because you clearly have an opinion ... here isn’t the place for that.

Post your grievances about our market in the forum where everyone can focus on that topic.

Commenting on how he’s going to make a profit isn’t constructive to a buyer. The CL post I bet invites buyers to ask direct questions.

I just don’t see how using someone else’s listing to air grievances about the reality of supply / demand ... these are rare and people want them.

Regarding crappy sellers and transparency in a transaction of course I support that perspective.

Back to Jonathan trying to sell this rig ... (Spoiler alert - he normally gets his asking price!)
 
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It’s about hijacking someone’s for sale thread. @ace10 I singled you out because you clearly have an opinion ... here isn’t the place for that.

Post your grievances about our market in the forum where everyone can focus on that topic.

Commenting on how he’s going to make a profit isn’t constructive to a buyer. The CL post I bet invites buyers to ask direct questions.

I just don’t see how using someone else’s listing to air grievances about the reality of supply / demand ... these are rare and people want them.

Regarding crappy sellers and transparency in a transaction of course I support that perspective.

Back to Jonathan trying to sell this rig ... (Spoiler alert - he normally gets his asking price!)

Au contraire mon frere... this discussion isn't "hijacking" as you put it.

Discussion of price, condition, market, etc is not forbidden on Mud. Never has been, probably never will be.

You seem to be focused exclusively on the one side of a potential transaction.. the Seller's side.

The seller in this case is a business. Who flips rigs and uses Mud as a marketing tool. The Seller is not shy about using hyperbole and puffery, either. This FS thread isn't some long-time Mudder who contributes to this community and is trying to sell their personal rig to fund an operation for their beloved dog.

So I ask again... what do you have against BUYERS having information which may help them understand and negotiate a potential deal for a vehicle?

And to emphasize my point...

The OP, at the beginning of this thread made the claim:
"After having owned 126 of them, I can tell you that $15k will buy you a high mileage example or one that just came down from the rust belt."

Then I posted the previous FOR SALE ad where THIS VERY RIG wasbeing offered by sale by another dealer for $15K a month ago.

I refuted his totally bogus assertion. It's not my opinion. It's a fact.
 
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I personally think it is BS to s*** on anyone’s for sale add. If you don’t have anything to say, keep your mouth shut. I believe in capitalism and the amount of work he puts into the product shows. Don’t be rude. YOU clearly you have some sort of jealousy issue. Why else would you act this way. Personally, I would not recommend the seller waste time listing his vehicles on Mud bc most folks here seem to cheap and DIY'ers, which way s fine, I just don’t think this place is his best audience. GLWS
 
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OK kids, might be time to take these rants offline or somewhere else. In all likelihood, many if not most folks are tired of listening to your quibbling. The entertainment value ended several post ago. We've heard some good information and some fine opinions. Time to put it to rest and go on about yer bidness, boys. Happy New Year to all us cruzer heads.
 
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Not really interested in getting involved here but I do need to comment on this statement

"And once again mr ace dickpot how is fixing rust with bondo bad?"

You don't "FIX' rust with bondo! You fix it with new steel. Bondo is used for filling and smoothing out "MINOR" surface imperfections.
 
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i have to agree with ace10. Flippers use MUD as a marketing tool without contributing to the 100 community. They are only on this forum to make money off unwary buyers.
There is nothing wrong with buying low and selling high, but it should be transparent and open to criticism.
 

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