1HZ turbo: Safari vs ... Crushers' special

[petermac]

I'm looking to turbo my HZJ73 once it lands. My choices so far are a custom mapped setup done by Wayne (Crushers) or a Safari Water-cooled Turbo system. Anyone have any opinions, comments and/or experience with specific turbo setups they might recommend or steer clear of?

What attracts me to the Safari unit is it's track record down under.

On the other hand, what Wayne says goes... a long way!

Thanks!

Peter

 

[mjohn7]

I think The Safari unit would be a good choice. It is a brand name unit and would come with warranty. Good to have if there is a problem done the road.

 

[nickw]

What is the typical cost of an intercooler once all is said and done?

 

[crushers]

I think The Safari unit would be a good choice. It is a brand name unit and would come with warranty. Good to have if there is a problem done the road.

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/safari/turbosys.html

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/warranty.html

The APS range of products represents the best in innovative automotive performance engineering.
APS offers 12 months conditional product warranty against manufacturing defect.

Unfortunately, APS cannot extend warranty to cover any non-APS products such as engine and drivetrain components.

 

[petermac]

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/safari/turbosys.html

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/warranty.html

The APS range of products represents the best in innovative automotive performance engineering.
APS offers 12 months conditional product warranty against manufacturing defect.

Unfortunately, APS cannot extend warranty to cover any non-APS products such as engine and drivetrain components.

Is that your tongue in your cheeck Wayne? I take it your warranty covers more than their's?

As per your email, the APS website does indicate that the Safari Turbo for the HZJ7* is water-cooled. Is this not the kit that is available to us here in NA?

Btw, I'm pretty much sold on whatever it is you're willing to put in the truck, I just want to be a little more informed on the matter.

Also, the price point seems to be about the same for your custom installation vs what I was quoted a while back from Marko at Outback for a Safari install (I was looking at buying an HZJ73 of him at the time but he had a buyer in line ahead of me).

Thanks to anyone who has an opinion on the matter!

Peter

 

[crushers]

nope, no tongue in cheek. just posting their warranty. i have a call into the supplier to see what kind of time frame is involved with the Safari should a piece fail.

 

[snowking]

I'm looking to turbo my HZJ73 once it lands. My choices so far are a custom mapped setup done by Wayne (Crushers) or a Safari Water-cooled Turbo system. Anyone have any opinions, comments and/or experience with specific turbo setups they might recommend or steer clear of?

What attracts me to the Safari unit is it's track record down under.

On the other hand, what Wayne says goes... a long way!

Thanks!

Peter

I have seen and driven several PZJ's turbo'ed from Wayne's Landcruiser pasture. The work and reliablity of these unit 's speak for them self. I know once the funds are scraped together,that this is the route I am personally going to take. Just my .02 cents.

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

There is a lot to be said for having someone of Waynes calibre and industry respectability to go to on a personal level/basis. You cannot over state how ice that is. Sure APS makes good stuff. But after you get it you're going to have to find someone to install it, and then deal with TWO factors. One APS, two the person doing the installation. With Wayne you get it all in one! It's a tougher call living down here, but if I lived up with you guys I'd use WayneO hands down.

 

[petermac]

Definitely going with Wayne, just a question of whether I should go with his custom setup or have him bring in a Safari Turbo and install it for me - possibly along with his propane injection system .

 

[snowking]

Definitely going with Wayne, just a question of whether I should go with his custom setup or have him bring in a Safariu Turbo and install it for me - possibly along with his propane injection system .

Good choice....and YOU WILL LOVE THE PROPANE !!!!1

 

[Greg_B]

Good choice....and YOU WILL LOVE THE PROPANE !!!!1

For an excellent primer on Propane, and also diesel talk read this: http://www.eng-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=1147

hth's

gb

 

[crushers]

BTW, i do not recommend buying the PI for fuel savings as i have seen none at all but the power increase is substanial...
if you mess with the settings on the unit great damage can be done. if rattling is heard shut the system down imediately.
i like the kits but then i like things that Greg doesn't...
cheers

 

[Mickldo]

I run a DTS turbo system on my HZJ80. Very happy with the system but I think the most important thing is to get it fitted by a reputable, experienced installer. A good installer can make a cheap turbo work well but a bodgy installer can easilly stuff up an expensive turbo.
Sounds like Wayne would be a good bet, going from the posts I've read of his.

 

[tlcruiserman]

If you are not going to go with Wayne's setup (not sure why you would not). I would recommend Trubo-glide over safari, I have recently installed one on a 2H and it is very nice and the cost is very good, they ship direct out of OZ to anywhere in the world.


Here is my rule of thumb if you are going to have someone else install it you go with what they use, they usually have a good reason for it


Cheers,

Michael

 

[crushers]

i have been intrigued with the turbo-glide, can you tell me more?
i like mine cause i can tweak it the way i want right from step one but i am open to new ideas...
got a link?
cheers

 

[knorrena]

Ok, I read that article mentioned above and he writes "Diesel engines operate unthrottled". What does this mean? He also writes "Since the diesel engine is unthrottled, there is the same amount of air entering the engine (per crankshaft revolution) at idle as it is at full throttle, minus the additional air provided by the turbo. " but my 3b has a throttle plate and no facility that I can see to control the fuel by any other means than using the throttle plate. Last, why is that diesels dont make vacuum whereas gassers do?

Karl

 

[tlcruiserman]

Ok, I read that article mentioned above and he writes "Diesel engines operate unthrottled". What does this mean? He also writes "Since the diesel engine is unthrottled, there is the same amount of air entering the engine (per crankshaft revolution) at idle as it is at full throttle, minus the additional air provided by the turbo. " but my 3b has a throttle plate and no facility that I can see to control the fuel by any other means than using the throttle plate. Last, why is that diesels dont make vacuum whereas gassers do?

Karl

Ah..The 3B (and H, 2H) are not as they seem. The trottle plate on the these engines does not operate like a gasser, actually the thottle plate works vacum lines that run to the back of the injector pump and that is what controls the engine RPM's. In other words if you were to disconnect the vacum lines that run to the thottle plate and open and close the thottle plate it would do nothing to control the engine. With any Diesel engine the control is pretty much the injector pump it is the timing, fuel flow control, shutoff point (for most of them) for the engine (of course this excludes the model fuel rail completely computer controled diesels).

 

[tlcruiserman]

i have been intrigued with the turbo-glide, can you tell me more?
i like mine cause i can tweak it the way i want right from step one but i am open to new ideas...
got a link?
cheers

The turbo-glide uses a garret turbo, has provisions for water as well as oil, however has the water caped off, and I am told they will void the warrantee if you connect the water. They have nice cast inlet tubes to run from and too the turbo/intake. Kit for 2H provided nice exhaust maniforld and hardward to tap into rocker cover for oil drain and used banjo clamp from oil line going to vacum pump for oil feed.

I have some pictures of install that I need to find and will post some, I have not even given them to Jan yet. But can get some and post shortly. The cost was pretty good, since it is shipping outside of OZ there is not GST and the shipping is a few hundred but shows up in a week.

More to come...

 

[crushers]

the garret i use have the water bosses already tapped and ready to go. do you know the specs on the turbos themselves?

 

[Greg_B]

Ok, I read that article mentioned above and he writes "Diesel engines operate unthrottled". What does this mean? He also writes "Since the diesel engine is unthrottled, there is the same amount of air entering the engine (per crankshaft revolution) at idle as it is at full throttle, minus the additional air provided by the turbo. " but my 3b has a throttle plate and no facility that I can see to control the fuel by any other means than using the throttle plate. Last, why is that diesels dont make vacuum whereas gassers do?

Karl

Karl...read through these primers. Also keep in mind that the 3B is somewhat an anomoly, due to the throttle plate that controls fuel delivery through pressure differential.

http://www.bankspower.com/tech.cfm

hth's

gb