Anyone know this??
Thanks,
Justin
Thanks,
Justin
1982 BJ-42 Towing Capacity?? (7 Viewers)
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crushers
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depnds on how much and how far and how fast...
in low range they are tractors
in high range on flat ground they can pull another cruiser
on hills in high range they have a hard time getting out of their own way...
realisticly? 1000 lbs
in low range they are tractors
in high range on flat ground they can pull another cruiser
on hills in high range they have a hard time getting out of their own way...
realisticly? 1000 lbs
In Norway one can get a paper form the official Toyota importer listing the BJ42 towing capasity at 3000kg (or 6600lbs), and this will be approved by the authority. But what you are allowed to tow and what you can tow are two different things
//stian f
//stian f
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Here is the skinny...
I have an M-105 (2650#) trailer that I loaded with about 1000 pounds of crap (camping gear) and took to the beach this weekend.
I drove 50mph there and back (50mi each way) and 4lo on the beach (18 miles to the camp site) in ankle deep sand.
Call me crazy but this little thing drove/pulled better with a loaded M105 than it ever has with a small M416 trailer. It felt like it "came alive" and got pissed at the challenge??!!
Can anyone explain?
I have an M-105 (2650#) trailer that I loaded with about 1000 pounds of crap (camping gear) and took to the beach this weekend.
I drove 50mph there and back (50mi each way) and 4lo on the beach (18 miles to the camp site) in ankle deep sand.
Call me crazy but this little thing drove/pulled better with a loaded M105 than it ever has with a small M416 trailer. It felt like it "came alive" and got pissed at the challenge??!!
Can anyone explain?
You probably drove it better with the heavier load?? watched your shifting, Rpm's nursed it a little more. With the small trailer you would be less careful about when you shifted and what the revs were. I assume yours is the 4 spd, I find the gearing on the 4 speed a little akward from third to fourth!
The real test will be to try pulling your two different trailers up a long grade, see if you can stay in third pulling the 1000 pound trailer.
On another note you need to be carefull pulling the heavier trailer on steep grades, its easy to cook the engine, if you don't watch the EGT's
Cheers
The real test will be to try pulling your two different trailers up a long grade, see if you can stay in third pulling the 1000 pound trailer.
On another note you need to be carefull pulling the heavier trailer on steep grades, its easy to cook the engine, if you don't watch the EGT's
Cheers
hoser
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Could it be your M-105 has a track width that is similar to your BJ42 while the M416 is narrower?
BJ40
I have 2 bj40's and on the papers it says the car weighs 1560kg.
Max load load (car included) 2300kg meaning aprox 640kg loading in the car.
And max load pulling (also car included) 6300kg
This stands also on the ID plate of the car.
This is in Belgium
I have 2 bj40's and on the papers it says the car weighs 1560kg.
Max load load (car included) 2300kg meaning aprox 640kg loading in the car.
And max load pulling (also car included) 6300kg
This stands also on the ID plate of the car.
This is in Belgium
crushers
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Calculate
ok lets calculate:
Car: 1560kg
Max load in the car (car incl): 2300kg
2300kg-1560kg = 760kg (0.76ton) loading in the car.
Max pulling load (car incl): 6300kg
6300kg-2300kg = 4000kg (4ton) IF the car is loaded with 760kg
If the car is empty: 6300kg-1560kg = 4740kg (4.74ton)
This what Toyota says, not me, i only read whats on the official papers.
It doesn't say how much the pulling hook can pull!!!!
ok lets calculate:
Car: 1560kg
Max load in the car (car incl): 2300kg
2300kg-1560kg = 760kg (0.76ton) loading in the car.
Max pulling load (car incl): 6300kg
6300kg-2300kg = 4000kg (4ton) IF the car is loaded with 760kg
If the car is empty: 6300kg-1560kg = 4740kg (4.74ton)
This what Toyota says, not me, i only read whats on the official papers.
It doesn't say how much the pulling hook can pull!!!!
crushers
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LOL!!
not questioning your tag, just questioning the bloody engineer that figured out the tow rating...
once again all that 'book knowledge' verses real life experience.
not questioning your tag, just questioning the bloody engineer that figured out the tow rating...
once again all that 'book knowledge' verses real life experience.
dont over load i flattend out my old springs(went from saggin to flat and fawked) by loading the bj60(N/A at this time) with too much lumber (3500lbs approx) the truck woulndt go over 90km/hr in 4th but the truck had no problem on hills slowed to 60-70km/hr these trucks haul ass but ill never overload my truck again
my dad replaced the rear springs (fronts are good) i was stuck with the labour (2 person job) but doable by one person and a few ice packs, cold ones and four letter words and you get through it
my dad replaced the rear springs (fronts are good) i was stuck with the labour (2 person job) but doable by one person and a few ice packs, cold ones and four letter words and you get through it
crushers
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dude,
we do not have hills here in southern ontario. we have bumps. the rogers pass is a hill, the choqu is a hill, the malahat is a hill.
we have a few good hills in northern ontario.
rear springs on a 60 is a one person job but if it is your first experience with changing springs, it can be a PITA and frustrationg as hell. those CDM spring pins are a bitch with out heat.
3000 lbs over the limit you would be sitting on the rubber bump stops after 1000, (the springs do not change once the bump stops are engaged), the tires would start buldging at 3000 and the brakes (unless new and set up properly) would be complaining.
we do not have hills here in southern ontario. we have bumps. the rogers pass is a hill, the choqu is a hill, the malahat is a hill.
we have a few good hills in northern ontario.
rear springs on a 60 is a one person job but if it is your first experience with changing springs, it can be a PITA and frustrationg as hell. those CDM spring pins are a bitch with out heat.
3000 lbs over the limit you would be sitting on the rubber bump stops after 1000, (the springs do not change once the bump stops are engaged), the tires would start buldging at 3000 and the brakes (unless new and set up properly) would be complaining.
Tow rating's are about the chassis, brakes and suspension strength. The engine power isn't a factor.
But a 3B powered cruiser pulling a couple of ton still has a power/weight ratio twice that of a full size truck.
The factory will have two tow ratings for a 40. A rating for a full braked trailer and a rating for an unbraked trailer. I'd expect the unbraked maximum to be around 500-750kg.
As for book knowledge.
Thre are people who can read and understand.
There are people who can be told and understand.
Then ther are poeple who need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Life must suck having to experience all the mistakes yourself.
crushers
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REALLY??
are you sure of this statement? are you willing to put your career on the line for it and your reputation?
maybe you need to go pee on an electric fence and wake up.
RV University,a site providing safety and maintenance information for using a RV
"reasons for strong tow ratings were due to factors like the engine, transmission, and rear axle ratio to name a few. "
Pop-Up Trailer Camping
RV Lifestyle - Hitch Hints
and on and on...
now i do not expect you to admit you made an incorrect statement but really, for a person that likes to be perfect this was a bad mistake, one that could cost someone their life.
are you sure of this statement? are you willing to put your career on the line for it and your reputation?
maybe you need to go pee on an electric fence and wake up.
RV University,a site providing safety and maintenance information for using a RV
"reasons for strong tow ratings were due to factors like the engine, transmission, and rear axle ratio to name a few. "
Pop-Up Trailer Camping
RV Lifestyle - Hitch Hints
and on and on...
now i do not expect you to admit you made an incorrect statement but really, for a person that likes to be perfect this was a bad mistake, one that could cost someone their life.
Tow rating's are about the chassis, brakes and suspension strength. The engine power isn't a factor.
Then ther are poeple who need to pee on the electric fence themselves.
Life must suck having to experience all the mistakes yourself.
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crushers
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Is that the only source you've got? Those are blog sites for RV owners.
hummm, since the actual vehicle manufacturers relate the engine to the tow capacity (as shown above and in hundreds of links elsewhere, which i have no desire to look at) there must be a reason for it.
since the manufacturers use an engineer to figure out the tow rating and that person feels the engine size helps determine the tow rating then i guess there is a division amongst the engineering folks... them and you, so it seems.. but that is not important enough for you to change your statement...
since common sense is not one of your atributes this might be a waste.
a 3B is not an engine to move itself and 4 ton down the road safely and comfortably, even if it does have a trailer with trailer brakes. the cooling system is not designed for the heat being generated, the clutch is not designed for that added stress, the EGTs will be through the roof in stock settings (hell, they are when not towing anything in most cases), the stock exhaust system will not dump the excess exhaust gasses quick enough to keep the EGTs down. to ask a 3B to move 4 ton plus itself down the road at highway speeds (and on hills) safely and reliably is foolishness.
some engineer got paid to back the stupid idea that a BJ42 can tow 4000kgs safely (and you are buying it).
the engine does make a impact on the tow rating of a vehicle. but if you want to tell the mases that it is safe then by all means. my advice BASED ON EXPERIENCE, not books, is no more than 1500 lbs safely. (at least i will sleep well at night knowing i did not give foolish life threatening advice.
BTW, there is not a huge different between blogs and forums... both allow people to post up crap as fact.
I'm still waiting for any evidence that shows engine size changes the tow rating.
The cooling system, clutch and fuelling limits on a 3B do not know or care what weight the vehicle is towing.
But the chasis, brakes and suspension do.
You're essentially claiming that a 3B is incapable of running at full load without failure, which is a rather silly argument.
If the suspension and chassis cannot take it, then the vehicle becomes unstable or in worst case, breaks. Great safety concern there.
If the brakes cannot take the extra load then again that's a great safety concern.
The acceleration and top speed the vehicle can sustain towing is not a safety concern as even towing that amount it will not be the slowest vehicle on the road.
Feel free to call up Toyota and tell them they're wrong and they should revise their tow rates to what a mechanic in Canada suggests.
crushers
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how about we do it another way, why not you phone up Ford, chev, dodge and toyota and ask them why they feel an engine does make a diffence to a tow rating.
so if a clutch can not tow the load and slips on a mountain road, that is not a concern? maybe to you it isn't.
have you ever tried to tow 4 ton with a BJ42?
so when the 5th gear starts poping out (one of the weak links in a H55F (BJ42)) would you say that might be life threatening going through rogers pass in BC?
if the trailer brakes fail going down the coqu in BC and the brakes on the BJ42 start to smoke from the excess strain, is that life threatening?
if the 90" wheel base starts going snakey bacause the 4 ton trailer is controling the tow vehicle instead of the other way around, is that life threatening?
i suspect that you have very limited experience with a 3B and the 4 ton of tow weight you are endorsing. yes, i know 3Bs, BJ42s and towing. obviously the engineer that approved that tow rating has no real life experience either.
maybe pull your head out of the books and go hook a BJ42 to 4 ton trailer and go for a drive up and down some good hills, then come back here and proclaim your backing to this engineers claim to fame.
like i said, common sense is not in your makeup...
so if a clutch can not tow the load and slips on a mountain road, that is not a concern? maybe to you it isn't.
have you ever tried to tow 4 ton with a BJ42?
so when the 5th gear starts poping out (one of the weak links in a H55F (BJ42)) would you say that might be life threatening going through rogers pass in BC?
if the trailer brakes fail going down the coqu in BC and the brakes on the BJ42 start to smoke from the excess strain, is that life threatening?
if the 90" wheel base starts going snakey bacause the 4 ton trailer is controling the tow vehicle instead of the other way around, is that life threatening?
i suspect that you have very limited experience with a 3B and the 4 ton of tow weight you are endorsing. yes, i know 3Bs, BJ42s and towing. obviously the engineer that approved that tow rating has no real life experience either.
maybe pull your head out of the books and go hook a BJ42 to 4 ton trailer and go for a drive up and down some good hills, then come back here and proclaim your backing to this engineers claim to fame.
like i said, common sense is not in your makeup...
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If a clutch cannot take the max torque of the engine, then it's toast. Towing is irrelevant to that.
crushers
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so you are going to phone the above manufacturers and find out why their engineers feel the engine has a bearing on towing capacity? excellent. i look forward to your report.
