Using AI, ChatGPT (OpenAI) & Ih8mud.com To Search Tech, FAQ, Parts, Solutions etc… (1 Viewer)
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corcel
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I know this isn't related to chatgpt - but has anyone else noticed the search not working anymore? You can't seem to search within a forum, thread, or classifieds. It only searches everywhere?
Works for me...
In this case, mudbot makes it seem like it is giving the right answer for a 96 80 series lug nut torque spec ,but as @OGBeno points out, it is different depending on wheel type and lug nut style on earlier 80 series and it gave the wrong torque setting anyway - it should be 76 ftlb for a 96 -97 with allow wheels and 109 for steel wheels and 91-94 allow wheels that use the lug nuts without the integrated washer. I am not sure where it got 87 ftlbs.
Couldn't tell if @woody chose this example on purpose to demonstrate its limitations or not, but wouldn't want people to make the mistake of trusting its answer.
corcel
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Ah you're right, it is the preview that I was using that is showing everywhere, before you actually search.
iptman
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As someone who works in the industry, this is not AI (dare I say there's actually no such thing as AI?) Think of it more as a modern take on Ask Jeeves where a search result is provided in grammatical sentences instead of lists. Lots of if, then, else trees with a "confidence" calculation to float a single answer to the top. AI is just a marketing buzz word no different than Cloud (rented servers).
The scary thing about "AI" is not Terminator 2, it's WarGames.
The scary thing about "AI" is not Terminator 2, it's WarGames.
Ackcruisers
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Ackcruisers
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ChatGPT and Ask Jeeves are quite different in terms of their underlying technology and capabilities.
Ask Jeeves was a search engine that relied on a natural language processing system to interpret user queries and provide relevant search results. It was launched in 1996 and was one of the first search engines to use natural language processing. However, it was limited in its ability to understand complex language and could only provide search results based on a limited set of pre-determined answers.
ChatGPT, on the other hand, is a large language model that uses deep learning to understand and generate human-like language. It is not a search engine, but rather a conversational AI that can understand and respond to a wide variety of queries and topics in natural language. ChatGPT is designed to learn and adapt to new information, making it more flexible and capable than traditional search engines like Ask Jeeves.
-ChatGPT Wrote This
Ask Jeeves was a search engine that relied on a natural language processing system to interpret user queries and provide relevant search results. It was launched in 1996 and was one of the first search engines to use natural language processing. However, it was limited in its ability to understand complex language and could only provide search results based on a limited set of pre-determined answers.
ChatGPT, on the other hand, is a large language model that uses deep learning to understand and generate human-like language. It is not a search engine, but rather a conversational AI that can understand and respond to a wide variety of queries and topics in natural language. ChatGPT is designed to learn and adapt to new information, making it more flexible and capable than traditional search engines like Ask Jeeves.
-ChatGPT Wrote This
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Chat bot. gPT 4 are a bunch of newbs.
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Eyedaho
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Amazing that it answered with the tune included! Or was that just me?
Eyedaho
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Did you write this, or did ChatGPT?
Ackcruisers
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Added proper credit to my post.
iptman
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And you think "Write me a song...." is not one of the more rudimentary functions the programmers wrote, probably years ago? You gave the key words "four wheel drive" with the "about" operator which resulted in tens of thousands of key word hits on a search. Then take those results and stringing together the words in an AB rhyme scheme. Adding the "like Robert Hunter" is purely superfluous and whether you think this result meets that part of the request is opinion in nature. The speed at which it returns the results of the function has no bearing on whether or not it's "AI" rather only a result of how much processing power was used to complete the function, and therefore irrelevant to the question.
iptman
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Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
Honestly chat gpt seems more of a start for ideas/places to start looking for information, but I wouldn’t trust it for facts for at least a few years. Honestly, I have a lot of questions about it because in the limited use I’ve had with it, it seems fun, but super factually inaccurate about a lot of simple stuff. Seems like a waste of time if you are looking for a specific fact about a niche thing like a fj40 wheel lug nut toque rating specific to a rim type, but if you know nothing, you can ask it “where can I find information about FJ40 wheel torque specs” and it can point you in that direction.
Eyedaho
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So are you a duck, or not a duck? Asking for a
Ackcruisers
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@iptman your posts are helpful to understand this technology better. My original post was to spark the dialogue with a focus on applying the technology (AI) to the forum to help surface good information.
As everyone has pointed out, the technology is not there yet. From your perspective, do you think there is a way to develop the algorithm/code/logic to crawl forum (measuring visits, likes, sentiment etc..)and then reference FSM to deliver good information?
As everyone has pointed out, the technology is not there yet. From your perspective, do you think there is a way to develop the algorithm/code/logic to crawl forum (measuring visits, likes, sentiment etc..)and then reference FSM to deliver good information?
iptman
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I come to the forums not only for information but for entertainment, conversation and banter with other humans. I'd be pretty disappointed if the second post on every thread was an AI generated response trying to answer the OP's technical question. In reference to your specific use case, no, I don't think it would be an effective tool for finding good information on Mud. The problem is, all these algorithms have to reference quantitative information to determine value and a confidence level but it's easy to manipulate that information. I rarely consider post counts (unless they're super low) and never "likes" to determine if someone's advice is sound. I haven't put a lot of thought in to it but I would say the 20-30 folks here on mud who's opinions and advice I find most reputable is based on hundreds, if not thousands of posts by each of these users which I've read over the years. Trying to reduce that all down to an algorithm, in my opinion, is not possible. The goal of most AI technologists is to fully extract the human element from certain repeatable, historically human tasks. But removing the human element also removes experience and that can't be replicated in an algorithm. I would much rather have a search function for a forum that returns threads only if a self curated list of trusted members have posted within them. That still might not get me the answer I'm looking for every time but if it works 90% of the time, I'd take it.
If the AI can include smarmy comments about dumb and repeat questions. Then it is all over
