The 2016+ factory/oem 18" wheel has a 56mm offset. The Spidertrax 1.25" wheel spacer is the equivalent to 31.75mm, so 56 - 31.75 = 24.25mm offset. The Bora 1" wheel spacer is the equivalent to 25.4mm, so 56 - 25.4 = 30.6mm offset.
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Why is “POKE” a “thing” on the 200 forum?
I have had my FJ60 for 36 years, and just got my 200 last year. I have been on Mud for over 15, but less than a year on the 200 forum. I had never heard of this “Poke” phenomom till I got on the 200 forum. Never heard of it before. So let me get this straight. You want to actually put on wheel spacers and buy wheels that are 30 or 40 below the recomended +60 Wheel Offset for older 200s, and +56 for newer ones. Just so your tires poke out a little beyond the fenders?
please read this: Understanding Wheel Offset: Negative vs Positive Offset Explained | Low Offset - https://low-offset.com/workshop/understanding-wheel-offset/
If you are running low offsets and poking your tires out, you accomplish three things
1. Wear on the wheel bearings and axle. The truck is designed by automotive engineers to run the correct wheel offset, +60 or +56. If you have less than that you are putting undue stress on your wheel bearings and axle. Too much leverage for the design. I guess the "pokers" don't keep their vehicles as long as I do.
2. mess up your scrub radius. By running your wheels further out from center with 0, 20 or 30 offsets, you lose road feel in the steering wheel, and feeback in the steering wheel
3. if your wheel is poking out, and you take it off road, sometimes your tire will hit the outer edge of the fender instead of going up into the wheel well. But I suppose that people who want “poke” never go off road.
So is the Poke look really something your really want? Ive given up on finding aftermarket wheels with +56 offset in an 18 inch rim. I am going back to OEM rims. And take off the Black Rhinos the previous owner put on.
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If you run larger than OEM tires, you need lower offset wheels to keep scrub radius at OEM specs. Albeit +35 is the most anyone needs to go (good for a 35” tire).Why is “POKE” a “thing” on the 200 forum?
I have had my FJ60 for 36 years, and just got my 200 last year. I have been on Mud for over 15, but less than a year on the 200 forum. I had never heard of this “Poke” phenomom till I got on the 200 forum. Never heard of it before. So let me get this straight. You want to actually put on wheel spacers and buy wheels that are 30 or 40 below the recomended +60 Wheel Offset for older 200s, and +56 for newer ones. Just so your tires poke out a little beyond the fenders?
please read this: Understanding Wheel Offset: Negative vs Positive Offset Explained | Low Offset - https://low-offset.com/workshop/understanding-wheel-offset/
If you are running low offsets and poking your tires out, you accomplish three things
1. Wear on the wheel bearings and axle. The truck is designed by automotive engineers to run the correct wheel offset, +60 or +56. If you have less than that you are putting undue stress on your wheel bearings and axle. Too much leverage for the design. I guess the "pokers" don't keep their vehicles as long as I do.
2. mess up your scrub radius. By running your wheels further out from center with 0, 20 or 30 offsets, you lose road feel in the steering wheel, and feeback in the steering wheel
3. if your wheel is poking out, and you take it off road, sometimes your tire will hit the outer edge of the fender instead of going up into the wheel well. But I suppose that people who want “poke” never go off road.
So is the Poke look really something your really want? Ive given up on finding aftermarket wheels with +56 offset in an 18 inch rim. I am going back to OEM rims. And take off the Black Rhinos the previous owner put on.
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Thanks! I always assumed stock offset was 60mmThe 2016+ factory/oem 18" wheel has a 56mm offset. The Spidertrax 1.25" wheel spacer is the equivalent to 31.75mm, so 56 - 31.75 = 24.25mm offset. The Bora 1" wheel spacer is the equivalent to 25.4mm, so 56 - 25.4 = 30.6mm offset.
Thanks! I always assumed stock offset was 60mm
where do you carry your LP container? Inside your truck? Is that safer? I have 6 gallons of gasoline up on the roof too. Would you carry gasoline inside your truck too?To each their own. Is carrying LP on top of a truck with a family onboard the best idea? Not for me…….
I have never wanted 35s. Never needed them. Take a look at the current issue of Toyota Trails, I have an article in it about doing Elephant Hill, Bobby's Hole, and Lockhart Basin road with 33s. I did not realize that taller tires meant you could run your tires out past the edge of your fender though. How much do your 35s "Poke"?If you run larger than OEM tires, you need lower offset wheels to keep scrub radius at OEM specs. Albeit +35 is the most anyone needs to go (good for a 35” tire).
Why is “POKE” a “thing” on the 200 forum?
I have had my FJ60 for 36 years, and just got my 200 last year. I have been on Mud for over 15, but less than a year on the 200 forum. I had never heard of this “Poke” phenomom till I got on the 200 forum. Never heard of it before. So let me get this straight. You want to actually put on wheel spacers and buy wheels that are 30 or 40 below the recomended +60 Wheel Offset for older 200s, and +56 for newer ones. Just so your tires poke out a little beyond the fenders?
please read this: Understanding Wheel Offset: Negative vs Positive Offset Explained | Low Offset - https://low-offset.com/workshop/understanding-wheel-offset/
If you are running low offsets and poking your tires out, you accomplish three things
1. Wear on the wheel bearings and axle. The truck is designed by automotive engineers to run the correct wheel offset, +60 or +56. If you have less than that you are putting undue stress on your wheel bearings and axle. Too much leverage for the design. I guess the "pokers" don't keep their vehicles as long as I do.
2. mess up your scrub radius. By running your wheels further out from center with 0, 20 or 30 offsets, you lose road feel in the steering wheel, and feeback in the steering wheel
3. if your wheel is poking out, and you take it off road, sometimes your tire will hit the outer edge of the fender instead of going up into the wheel well. But I suppose that people who want “poke” never go off road.
So is the Poke look really something your really want? Ive given up on finding aftermarket wheels with +56 offset in an 18 inch rim. I am going back to OEM rims. And take off the Black Rhinos the previous owner put on.
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Aggressive much? Just because you don’t run 35s, doesn’t mean everyone shares your opinion.I have never wanted 35s. Never needed them. Take a look at the current issue of Toyota Trails, I have an article in it about doing Elephant Hill, Bobby's Hole, and Lockhart Basin road with 33s. I did not realize that taller tires meant you could run your tires out past the edge of your fender though. How much do your 35s "Poke"?
, I didn’t intend to be aggressive. I did not know that taller tires affect the ideal offset. Now I do.Aggressive much? Just because you don’t run 35s, doesn’t mean everyone shares your opinion.
I don’t even run spacers. I was just pointing out (since it was one of your 3 main reasons for not using spacers) for the people that run 33-35” tires or larger, then the factory offset isn’t technically correct anymore for scrub radius. Running +35 doesn’t run the wheels outside of the wheel wells. I don’t think many people here are suggesting running 2-3” spacers, which I believe most of the “anti-spacer” crowd are referring to. A 1” spacer gives ideal offset on an OEM wheel for a 34-35” tire.
Everything is relative, and “poke” on this forum is usually not referring to those trucks that the wheels stick out of the fenders by 6”. No need to be so hyperbolic.
All that to say, I’m also sure some wheel/spacer choices here are made for vanity’s sake rather than ideal drivability..to them I would just say “to each their own.”
Why is “POKE” a “thing” on the 200 forum?
I have had my FJ60 for 36 years, and just got my 200 last year. I have been on Mud for over 15, but less than a year on the 200 forum. I had never heard of this “Poke” phenomom till I got on the 200 forum. Never heard of it before. So let me get this straight. You want to actually put on wheel spacers and buy wheels that are 30 or 40 below the recomended +60 Wheel Offset for older 200s, and +56 for newer ones. Just so your tires poke out a little beyond the fenders?
please read this: Understanding Wheel Offset: Negative vs Positive Offset Explained | Low Offset - https://low-offset.com/workshop/understanding-wheel-offset/
If you are running low offsets and poking your tires out, you accomplish three things
1. Wear on the wheel bearings and axle. The truck is designed by automotive engineers to run the correct wheel offset, +60 or +56. If you have less than that you are putting undue stress on your wheel bearings and axle. Too much leverage for the design. I guess the "pokers" don't keep their vehicles as long as I do.
2. mess up your scrub radius. By running your wheels further out from center with 0, 20 or 30 offsets, you lose road feel in the steering wheel, and feeback in the steering wheel
3. if your wheel is poking out, and you take it off road, sometimes your tire will hit the outer edge of the fender instead of going up into the wheel well. But I suppose that people who want “poke” never go off road.
So is the Poke look really something your really want? Ive given up on finding aftermarket wheels with +56 offset in an 18 inch rim. I am going back to OEM rims. And take off the Black Rhinos the previous owner put on.
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I be am sorry
, I didn’t intend to be aggressive. I did not know that taller tires affect the ideal offset. Now I do.
Ive owned a Land Cruiser for 35 years, led many week long overland trips in Utah, and Arizona, and been on Mud for over 15 years. And i never said that. I was expressing my surprise for how many 200 owners on this forum want their tires to poke out from under the fenders. Surely they are in the minority though. Im sorry i offended you."Hi guys! I'm new here. You're all stupid and everything you do is dumb."
thank you AmyMal and Teckis 300 for taking the time to post a reply. I have Googled for a source on the Internet that says that taller tires require moving them outboard with a smaller number offset..... or, that the offset changes when you go to a taller tire. So, maybe you are right about that, maybe not. I don't know. I am certainly open to the idea. But not convinced.
My FJ60 will remain my difficult trail Land Cruiser. I would never fill the wheel well, because I know how much articulation I need in order to get up rough rocky trails. Especially when I have loaded her down with 15 gallons extra fuel, 20+ gallons of water, a 75 Dometic, food, beer, 2 tents, tools, spare parts, clothes etc. It has 33 x 15 x 10.50s. I've done the Maze District four times, the Needles twice, The Hole in the Rock "TRAIL" once, and many more. I have never needed 35s. But then, I don't like mud. I like rock and sand. My 2018 Land Cruiser has 20 inch Black Rhinos with 275/55/20s. I will use the 200 on milder runs..... White Rim, the Henrys, South Coyote Buttes, Toroweap, and so on. So I want new wheels and tires, but I don't want to give up any precious room for my wheels and rear axle to mover around. Probably bump it up to a 60 is all and stay at 275 or go 265 because of the straight line traction of a slightly narrower tire. I am currently looking on eBay.
In looking at aftermarket wheels, I got frustrated because there is no wheel, and I have looked, that has the +56 offset that the stock wheels were. I respect the Toyota Designers and engineers on this. The closest is the +43 Evo Corse. But they are so expensive. I love the Methods, but in 18", they only offer +25. the Hoss has +50 in a 20 inch tire. Don't want 20s. I air down sometimes. At the Toyota Dealership, they want $800 for each TRD Pro wheel.
I don't understand why there aren't any wheel builders that make aftermarket wheels for trucks built by the biggest most successful automobile company in the world Toyota. There are lots of Tundras. My guess was people didn't know or care about Offset.... or that they want less offset so that the wheels will poke or fill the wheel well.
I see our beloved Land Cruiser as a tool. Thats me. I use it the way it was intended. If I wanted something beautiful I would buy the Hyundai Pallisade!!! LOL. And that is where we differ. I am sorry I have hurt some feelings. I really do.
far right is my 200, the middle is my 60, the one on the far left is just to "poke" a little fun. I don't want to even know what the offset is on my 60, now that I know about it.
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