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Bludozer
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Definitely where this will end up. I am seeing an exo-cage on a bobbed 80 frame in less than a few years time and it will be pretty f*cking cool
thatcabledude
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Yeah, but he lays down back there.
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I almost did. Was just about to section the back and shorten it like 18”. But just couldn’t give up the room/storage.
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I imagine it’ll have a cage of some sort by the end of next year
I think adding a DeltaVS panhard lift bracket could have killed some of the oversteer and unlikeable characteristics of the rear geometry when lifted without completely redesigning it. If you spent all that money and time redoing the rear and can't go faster you'd better balance those or change tires/wheels!
Edit: If it had a 4th link would that help keep things less sketch? I would think there would be room for that without any wizardry. Asking for a friend.
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I think adding a DeltaVS panhard lift bracket could have killed some of the oversteer and unlikeable characteristics of the rear geometry when lifted without completely redesigning it. If you spent all that money and time redoing the rear and can't go faster you'd better balance those or change tires/wheels!
Edit: If it had a 4th link would that help keep things less sketch? I would think there would be room for that without any wizardry. Asking for a friend.
@NateMob just added a panhard lift bracket on his 3linked truck and he said it helped a lot. I’ll make one for myself soon.
I doubt a 4link would be much different. These things are just heavy and really flexi suspension just has a couple downsides. But having swag bars front and rear would certainly help the onroad manners. I imagine that would fix just about everything based on what @nukegoat has stated.
The way I see it, adding another link would eliminate the offset forces imposed on a 3-link front axle in hard braking and cornering situations. Essentially the same setup as the rear. What is the reason this approach wouldn't work? Just no room for it?
I think adding a DeltaVS panhard lift bracket could have killed some of the oversteer and unlikeable characteristics of the rear geometry when lifted without completely redesigning it. If you spent all that money and time redoing the rear and can't go faster you'd better balance those or change tires/wheels!
I raised my panhard (DIY) prior to redoing the rear suspension and also lowered the frame mount. In my experience it made no difference in the truck's handling and I'd even go as far as to say these glowing reviews are a bit placebo. There's a lot more to the rear suspension geometry aside from just the panhard. My truck is not that tall and I was still sitting at 15º of oversteer before I redid the rear links which is really bad.
Stock rear suspension on my truck w/ raised panhard:
Its not the 3 link vs 4 link vs 5 link thats relevant as much as it is a re engineering of the geometry. it is tremendously different when designed with the kinematics in mind. Suspension design for quantifiable things is not subjective - avoid anecdotes here. Have epistemological humility for this stuff.
This thread is engineering cancer
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Engineering cancer sure, but like with everything most can and do live without perfection. Does the rear geometry suck yes. Will most fix that, definitely not. Could my front geometry be better. For sure. Will I change any of that? Aside from lifting the rear panard and adding longer lower links, probably not. Not worth the fab in my mind. These truck will always suck at speed. It’s to be a ok crawler and a slow highway pig.
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I raised my panhard (DIY) prior to redoing the rear suspension and also lowered the frame mount. In my experience it made no difference in the truck's handling and I'd even go as far as to say these glowing reviews are a bit placebo. There's a lot more to the rear suspension geometry aside from just the panhard. My truck is not that tall and I was still sitting at 15º of oversteer before I redid the rear links which is really bad.
Stock rear suspension on my truck w/ raised panhard:
I wanna look into what making the lower links longer would do for all this. Kinda curios. And not mess with the top links/panard
thatcabledude
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He's been in the hundred series section a lot lately and it shows.
Follow what Nukegoat did and ditch the panhard all together. I cut everything off my axle and made it harder than it really needed to be but you'll see that this can be a pretty simple DIY project and you can reuse all of the factory upper link mounts, both on the axle and at the frame. The hardest part will be making the removable crossmember
Double triangulated rear 80
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I triangulated the rear. Ended up narrowing the frame as well from the C pillar back to accommodate the new gas tank. The difference in flex is significant and it justifies 16" + travel coilovers, but to be totally str8 forward I have not had a chance to take it to the trail and real world it through its paces works well in the Dunes, but need to add Sway bars/anti rock so it doesn't break loose at speed.
Well, please change your signature to "I also 3-link 80s without regard for math or engineering"
Moving the gas tank changes a LOT about these rigs. Kudos - that looks well done
