Front swaybar quick disconnects revisited and tested (5 Viewers)
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- #343
Partly my fault for feeding the thread but its my thread and so far its been good for sales.
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Ok, so how about you be clear for all of these supposed customers.
That if you fail to check the center of the rig, you risk losing your brakes and ABS.
And because you elected to feed the thread, let’s remind everyone you actually did NOT have instructions on cycling the suspension or explained any of this before the mishap occurred.
Sorry chief. Had you been a bit more gentlemanly here, this wouldn’t have been so painful.
That if you fail to check the center of the rig, you risk losing your brakes and ABS.
And because you elected to feed the thread, let’s remind everyone you actually did NOT have instructions on cycling the suspension or explained any of this before the mishap occurred.
Sorry chief. Had you been a bit more gentlemanly here, this wouldn’t have been so painful.
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- #346
Thanks for taking the time to understand why you had a problem and clarification that the product is solid.
Happy Holidays to you and your family
thatcabledude
GOLD Star
So both sides fell out? You should play the lotto!
Steve D
SILVER Star
TL;DR version:
Customer:
- purchased disconnects
- ignored explicit instructions while installing parts because he didn't understand terms used in the instructions
- failed to seek clarification from manufacturer or other suspension expert
- went balls out on washboard roads
- ignored rattling noise because he thought it was his janky exhaust
- lost both pins
- realized brake lines had been severed and all brake fluid lost
- continued to drive down Yankee Boy Basin using his hand brake only
- blamed manufacturer for putting his kids at risk
- accused other posters of being 'supposed customers'
- accused manufacturer of not being gentlemanly because manufacturer refused to bear responsibility for customer's failure to understand/follow instructions.
Uh, sorry but nice try.
The instructions sent did not include any of this. Ah, and do other people (eg people in the Jeep community) have issues with sway bar disconnects using cotter pins from Ace Hardware? Yes, yes they do. Clarification? Sure, obtained after the damage.
You guys can keep acting like a bunch of asses about this but the point still stands. The manufacturer needs to update the instructions he sends to all of these worldwide customers.
But hey, keep posting more BS. I can keep going all day.
The instructions sent did not include any of this. Ah, and do other people (eg people in the Jeep community) have issues with sway bar disconnects using cotter pins from Ace Hardware? Yes, yes they do. Clarification? Sure, obtained after the damage.
You guys can keep acting like a bunch of asses about this but the point still stands. The manufacturer needs to update the instructions he sends to all of these worldwide customers.
But hey, keep posting more BS. I can keep going all day.
Indeed. Apparently, I was going “balls out” on Camp Bird Road.
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- #351
@Iceaxe The truth is you have made some bad choices, lied to the people on MUD, and attempted to discredit me and my product in total unfairness. I spent/wasted the time to re-read the thread and the PM we had together. Below is the first post concerning YOUR problem and there are MANY MORE discrepancy and lies that follow I can post if needed. FIRST -Leaving the swaybar unsecured as noted in your post, really! (see below) As you and anyone with a 1/2 of brain can see you did not exhibit common sense and used VERY poor judgment.
The thread continues - I posted what I thought your problem was and how to properly lift from the center to check for clearance. You claimed you did and all was clear. ◄LIE post #344
At this point you know you have problem but continue to use the Swaybar disconnects on your trip to Colorado (with your family) where you claim you lost your brake lines, ABS, yata yata. You blamed Swaybar Disconnects for jeopardizing the safety of your family when in fact you knew you had a problem that you failed to address, real dumb move on your part. Your family deserves more and you should be ashamed of yourself.
You need to step up and be a man and be fully accountable for your poor choices, actions, and apologize to the people on MUD.
Mods feel free to delete this wasted bandwidth at any time
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iceaxe post #233
Phil, I returned from Cruise Moab, having done Kokopelli with the swaybar disconnect system installed. Left the cotter pins in the brackets at the axle and didn't pin the sway bar up on the frame. Broke both pins, damaged the driver's side sway bar bracket (bent it to hell), and tripped off the ABS light. Almost severed a brake line.
Bought new cotter pins, this time pinned the sway bar up against the frame. Did the first part of Moab Rim, then on to the Pickle. One cotter pin missing on the passenger side. Again threatened loose sway bar with brake lines at risk.
I think my recommendation would be to advise anyone using this system to use the original screw, washer, and locking washer to secure the sway bar at the axle and frame. To do otherwise is dangerous.
Side note- I did drive the rig at high speed without the sway bar connected. My rig is capable of stable cruising at 90 MPH, so it was a good test.While some drive their rigs without the sway bar connected, I found it to be unstable at high speeds and highly unadvisable to leave it disconnected if you are planning to drive home on the highway. This is in full agreement with Christo's advise on this matter.
The thread continues - I posted what I thought your problem was and how to properly lift from the center to check for clearance. You claimed you did and all was clear. ◄LIE post #344
At this point you know you have problem but continue to use the Swaybar disconnects on your trip to Colorado (with your family)
where you claim you lost your brake lines, ABS, yata yata. You blamed Swaybar Disconnects for jeopardizing the safety of your family when in fact you knew you had a problem that you failed to address, real dumb move on your part. Your family deserves more and you should be ashamed of yourself.You need to step up and be a man and be fully accountable for your poor choices, actions, and apologize to the people on MUD.
Mods feel free to delete this wasted bandwidth at any time
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iceaxe post #233
Phil, I returned from Cruise Moab, having done Kokopelli with the swaybar disconnect system installed. Left the cotter pins in the brackets at the axle and didn't pin the sway bar up on the frame. Broke both pins, damaged the driver's side sway bar bracket (bent it to hell), and tripped off the ABS light. Almost severed a brake line.
Bought new cotter pins, this time pinned the sway bar up against the frame. Did the first part of Moab Rim, then on to the Pickle. One cotter pin missing on the passenger side. Again threatened loose sway bar with brake lines at risk.
I think my recommendation would be to advise anyone using this system to use the original screw, washer, and locking washer to secure the sway bar at the axle and frame. To do otherwise is dangerous.
Side note- I did drive the rig at high speed without the sway bar connected. My rig is capable of stable cruising at 90 MPH, so it was a good test.While some drive their rigs without the sway bar connected, I found it to be unstable at high speeds and highly unadvisable to leave it disconnected if you are planning to drive home on the highway. This is in full agreement with Christo's advise on this matter.
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JaketheSSnake
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I made this tonight and severely burned my hands. You didn’t mention anything about using a hot pad or anything so I just used my bare hands. I'll never trust your cooking advice again, EVER!
On a more serious note, I jacked up the front of my 80 when I installed the disconnects and found the brake lines were definitely an issue. If I remember correctly, I just unbolted them from the housing and it gave them enough slack to not bind up. I'll be getting extended lines in the future.
thatcabledude
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Phil, I have all the records of our communication, and our PM thread. At no time did you show me the pictures of how best to cycle the suspension. And, well, I guess you got me- I did give your product one more try, and it didn't work out. Clearly, it was a mistake to give your product another try.
A few pages back, you'll note another Mud member managed to shear off his pin. So, this premise that it can't happen isn't supported by the evidence. But hey, if it makes you and your friends feel better to say I'm lying, then coddle yourself with that.
Here is what I'm seeing:
1. A product that had promise. Unfortunately, if you raise questions about the product, you get flamed publicly by the vendor and accused of lying.
2. For those of you who have the product or are planning to buy it- certainly look at the pictures on the proper technique to cycle the suspension that Phil has posted. But also consider more secure pins such as these (Roadmaster 910029 Large Base Pins w/Chain & Clip 2/pk) or something similar.
3. Regarding instructions from swaybar disconnect manufacturers, here is standard language that maybe Phil can copy / paste into his instructions. Note the disclaimer and warranty information that protects manufacturers. https://teraflex.com/file/attachments/557f67abfb01fd008febfabe.pdf
A few pages back, you'll note another Mud member managed to shear off his pin. So, this premise that it can't happen isn't supported by the evidence. But hey, if it makes you and your friends feel better to say I'm lying, then coddle yourself with that.
Here is what I'm seeing:
1. A product that had promise. Unfortunately, if you raise questions about the product, you get flamed publicly by the vendor and accused of lying.
2. For those of you who have the product or are planning to buy it- certainly look at the pictures on the proper technique to cycle the suspension that Phil has posted. But also consider more secure pins such as these (Roadmaster 910029 Large Base Pins w/Chain & Clip 2/pk) or something similar.
3. Regarding instructions from swaybar disconnect manufacturers, here is standard language that maybe Phil can copy / paste into his instructions. Note the disclaimer and warranty information that protects manufacturers. https://teraflex.com/file/attachments/557f67abfb01fd008febfabe.pdf
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"Phil, I returned from Cruise Moab, having done Kokopelli with the swaybar disconnect system installed. Left the cotter pins in the brackets at the axle and didn't pin the sway bar up on the frame. Broke both pins, damaged the driver's side sway bar bracket (bent it to hell), and tripped off the ABS light. Almost severed a brake line."
Yes, to be clear, this was a complete mistake on my part. As openly stated at that time.
The issue here is whether it is possible to shear the pins or see them work themselves out at the upper bracket. In my case, it appears it is possible. This isn't rocket science- check the suspension as you have pointed out now and consider locking pins / something more robust than is in the kit if you are on washboard roads. For those of you who don't think this is a risk, don't use them.
Yes, to be clear, this was a complete mistake on my part. As openly stated at that time.
The issue here is whether it is possible to shear the pins or see them work themselves out at the upper bracket. In my case, it appears it is possible. This isn't rocket science- check the suspension as you have pointed out now and consider locking pins / something more robust than is in the kit if you are on washboard roads. For those of you who don't think this is a risk, don't use them.
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Steve D
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I think you mean “openly stated in a private message but not acknowledged on the public forum where I was flaming your product.”
