Builds Moonshine - A Build Thread (17 Viewers)

[GLTHFJ60]

~4200 RPM @ ~48PSI of boost with 60LB valve springs was my 4BT’s ultimate demise, not sure how hard you’ve pushed moonshine but this was the recipe I used to kill mine.

More fuel, I can push my superHX30w into the 3500 range but EGT's start getting out of control pretty quick.

Good luck with the new engine, can’t wait to see what you come up with.

Thanks!

My limitation currently is that I still don't have an intercooler. My EGTs are bananas right now, hitting 1500* up a hill if I'm not paying attention. I've done that a few times I cruise down the highway at 1000* and try to not go higher than 1100* going up grades, but in reality she regularly sees 1200* for short stints, then occasionally 1300*+.

Maybe 2500rpm is low, 3000rpm might be more accurate. Will have to drive her to work this week to confirm. I can consistently hit 30psi before 2000rpm and peak at 45 around 35-3600rpm, but despite building boost, it doesn't seem to pull above maybe 3k.

300hp should be a problem as long as you can fuel it, if I ever get to a dyno I'll find out what I'm actually making but I've got to be close to that by now.

Your combo is close to what I'm running as well and I'd think you would get it to light a little better with the bigger displacement. I'm amazed at how well the HE351VGT does spool for my displacement. I think a 14, 16, or even an 18 cm housing on the HX40 (don't remember what sizes are available) would work well for you. If you went with a wastegated housing you could run on the smaller side and keep the boost from getting too high. The balance is to have boost build rather than have it all there too soon on the throttle pedal because that will make the power band seem narrow. Right now I'm running fixed at 16 I think and with my fueling I'm hitting 55psi and it spools pretty well. EGTs are 1100+ on hill attacks but I cruise at 65-70mph at 700-750F. I have some lag from a stand still (normal turbo lag) but at speed things build quickly. It's not neck jerking acceleration at speed but it doesn't stop pulling.

That's what I'm thinking. I can't believe you're at 55psi already, that's just amazing. I want to get Moonshine on a dyno before I yank the motor out to do a before/after comparison.

Both of you are talking about fueling and I guess that's the big unknown with the VP30 injection pump, you just don't see anyone running it in road applications. While I love the idea of computerized fuel injection, I'll have to do some research to see if this pump can flow what I need. If not, I'll have to convert it to a p-pump.

 

[woytovich]

Re: more power

More power = things breaking. You will never stop chasing the weak link.
More power = go fast. really...? in Moonshine?
For a truck driven on the street/highway regularly then yes, the 2F can certainly get frustrating.
For a truck that is primarily a rock-crawling trail truck the ticket for me is low power and low gearing.
If I was ever to need to replace a dead 2F I would go GM V8 for sure... just for the easy of sourcing parts if for no other reason.

But hey... its your truck and you are obviously having fun building and driving it... and we are all having fun watching so CARRY ON!

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Re: more power

More power = things breaking. You will never stop chasing the weak link.
More power = go fast. really...? in Moonshine?
For a truck driven on the street/highway regularly then yes, the 2F can certainly get frustrating.
For a truck that is primarily a rock-crawling trail truck the ticket for me is low power and low gearing.
If I was ever to need to replace a dead 2F I would go GM V8 for sure... just for the easy of sourcing parts if for no other reason.

But hey... its your truck and you are obviously having fun building and driving it... and we are all having fun watching so CARRY ON!

I've been chasing weak links for 10 years and I don't intend to stop. Why else would I have ended up with one-ton axles Moonshine is now a one-ton truck wrapped in Toyota sheetmetal so that I can beat on her and not blow her up. When something breaks, I now have a tow rig.

Did you not see the hillclimb video a page or two back?! Yes, Moonshine = GO FAST!! We're not talking about your build methodology, we're talking about mine.

Go over-think everything in your own thread We're talking hair-raising turbo diesels in this thread.

 

[woytovich]

Go go Gadget!

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Johnny-I'm thinking when you get the ARB installed in the D60, your FJ60 will be unstoppable. But since it isn't really a daily driver, you don't really need more power. Anyway, enjoying what you're doing so keep going. Just remember, you'll trailer to the start with you're great tow rig, and after that, you don't need much power.

 

[woytovich]

See, the way Andrew said it is MUCH nicer than the way I did. It's a New York thing... or maybe I'm just an ass...

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Johnny-I'm thinking when you get the ARB installed in the D60, your FJ60 will be unstoppable. But since it isn't really a daily driver, you don't really need more power. Anyway, enjoying what you're doing so keep going. Just remember, you'll trailer to the start with you're great tow rig, and after that, you don't need much power.

I do daily drive Moonshine still! I alternate between the Ford and Moonshine. In addition, I do plenty of wheeling trips with Moonshine that I don't trailer to (still), but they're more expedition style trips. More power is a lot more fun on the road

Besides, when was this hobby about needs

See, the way Andrew said it is MUCH nicer than the way I did. It's a New York thing... or maybe I'm just an ass...

It's all good, I'm an ass too

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Besides, when was this hobby about needs

An excellent point.

 

[boots4]

Besides, when was this hobby about needs

I have to agree, it's not about needing more power, it's about wanting more power. I have the same sickness and continue to want more. At least you have a beefy tow rig to play with for big power when your twin turbo 4-banger won't be enough. Game on.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Past couple of weeks has been about my 8274.

Tore it down:

Hauled it over to @Mtbcoach 's house to use his blast cabinet and TIG to do some aluminum welding. I hate welding cast

Painted the parts with some nice industrial enamel, ready for reassembly:

Series 15 industrial motor (70865, yes I know the model number on the motor is different, not sure why). Should be a screamer now:

This motor has thermal overload protection. These small wires out the bottom get wired into the control circuit for the solenoid. If wired correctly, when the motor overheats, the thermal circuit opens, preventing the control circuit from switching the solenoid (or contactor) on. Pretty slick and is a feature not found on many winch motors.

Since the parts were all clean, I could work inside in the AC:

First attempt putting the brake assembly together, I got a couple of the brake balls out of the groove, but I nailed it on the second attempt.

Did a quick test drive to make sure everything works as expected, filled it with oil 30wt non-detergent oil (I used 12oz, 6 just didn't seem enough), and popped the top on with hylomar. I didn't do the grease zerk mod, or the case drain/fill mods. I figure I wouldn't remember to maintain it anyway and popping the top half of the case off is a matter of removing three bolts, that's it. Doing that is easier than drilling/tapping for drain and fill holes IMHO.

Finally, installed the winch! Didn't have to trim the grill as much as I suspected I might. I'm stoked!! I hooked up the solenoid from my old winch to this one to spool the synthetic line. Plan is to mount the contactor under the hood with a hardwired remote control.

 

[woytovich]

Looks great.... what motor is that and is your intention to increase load rating?

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Looks great.... what motor is that and is your intention to increase load rating?

Scroll up and read the post from yesterday. Motor info is in there, you missed it.

Yes, intention is to increase the pulling power and speed. Comparing it to a friend's 8274 this past weekend, mine is definitely faster, but it's hard to tell how much faster without doing real pulls.

 

[roadstr6]

8274's are fast as hell anyway compared to a planetary. Yours is going to be a beast! Did you do anything about the C-clip on the brake? There are some mods to secure it so it doesn't pop off. Gigglepin offers a drilled and tapped brake shaft that secures the brake with a bolt.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

8274's are fast as hell anyway compared to a planetary. Yours is going to be a beast! Did you do anything about the C-clip on the brake? There are some mods to secure it so it doesn't pop off. Gigglepin offers a drilled and tapped brake shaft that secures the brake with a bolt.

Good question, no I haven't. I was going to tack weld the c-clip ears together.

 

[White Stripe]

Winch turned out great man. Do u have a link to that motor?

 

[Cruiserdrew]

The thermal lock out is a great feature How did you figure out this particular motor ? Most use the 9.5xp motor to upgrade and this looks like an even better option.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Winch turned out great man. Do u have a link to that motor?

Amazon.com: WARN 70865 Motor Kit: Automotive

You need this gear too, depending which generation motor came on your 8274:
Amazon.com: WARN 15879 Splined Pinion Gear: Automotive

The thermal lock out is a great feature How did you figure out this particular motor ? Most use the 9.5xp motor to upgrade and this looks like an even better option.

Google! I searched around on IH8MUD and a few other sites for what upgrade motors would work and found the 9.5xp motor, but then also people saying that the Warn 70865 Industrial Series 15 motor should work as well. The series 15 motor came off of the warn industrial series winches, but I can't remember the capacity of the winches, over 12k for sure. I don't think I could find anyone saying they used it, so I gave it a shot and it bolted on just fine. I had to thin out a thrust washer to make work with the 8274 motor housing but it seems to work perfectly.

Maybe someday I'll find a strain gauge (I think that's the right tool) to test the actual pulling force of the winch with this motor.


EDIT: I did find people using this motor. I think it came off of a 15k warn industrial winch:

Stronger Warn 8274

Warn winch motors PN 68608 vs PN 70865 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Anyone upgrade their 8274?



8274 Rebuild / Install - Page 3 - Defender Source

Project 8274

 

[woytovich]

And you mentioned "contactor"... did you upgrade from the solenoids?

 

[GLTHFJ60]

And you mentioned "contactor"... did you upgrade from the solenoids?

Yup, to a superwinch (Albright) contactor. Solenoids I took off looked old and busted. Besides, I want to mount my contactor up under the hood.

Superwinch Replacement Solenoids 90-14452

 

[John Smith]

Yup, to a superwinch (Albright) contactor. Solenoids I took off looked old and busted. Besides, I want to mount my contactor up under the hood.

Superwinch Replacement Solenoids 90-14452

Would you also happen to have a link to directions on how to wire this thing up to the 8274?