Rust scaler

Gumby · 03-05-07, 12:19 PM

I just got a cool new tool based on some research in how to get rid of old rust and undercoating.

It's called a scaler. It's used a lot in ships to get rid of scaly rust. It's just an air hammer with a bundle of needles - it's also called a needle scaler.

It works really well.

Pic 1 is the scaler
Pic 2 is before
Pic 3 is after about a minute.

Gumby · 03-05-07, 12:21 PM

Another couple of minutes on the really thick stuff in the wheel wells. Earmuffs, safety glasses and a particulate mask are a must. It'd really kind of suck without the rotisserie.

photogod · 03-05-07, 03:41 PM

That's cool. Does it reciprocate or rotate?

Degnol · 03-05-07, 04:51 PM

Anyone who used one of those things in the Navy might not share your enthusiasm for a needle scaler

Ed

Gumby · 03-05-07, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by photogod

That's cool. Does it reciprocate or rotate?

Reciprocate. It's really just a fast air hammer.

About an hour is all I wanted to do. Doing it all day would suck big time. It's hard to type with tingly fingers.

1 - about 45 minutes on the 55
2 - tried it out on the 40
3 - 20 minutes on the 40 hood. That old 60s enamel just cames right off. The red is primer. 10 minutes with the DA and it was bare metal.

webelk6 · 03-05-07, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gumby

I just got a cool new tool based on some research in how to get rid of old rust and undercoating.

It's called a scaler. It's used a lot in ships to get rid of scaly rust. It's just and air hammer with a bundle of needles - it's also called a needle scaler.

It 's works really well.

Pic 1 is the scaler
Pic 2 is before
Pic 3 is after about a minute.

I just had an instant nightmare. I was in the Navy, we used those devil

tools on all aspects of 'chipping paint'. pics look good tho.

zebrabeefj40 · 03-05-07, 06:20 PM

The welders at work use those for chipping slag off fluxcore welds too. Been thinking of getting one for welding but don't weld enough. Forgot it worked for paint and rust too. Gotta find one now! Mmm... more tools.

Nick

cruiser88 · 03-05-07, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Degnol

Anyone who used one of those things in the Navy might not share your enthusiasm for a needle scaler

Ed

ya or industrail painting

D'Animal · 03-05-07, 06:31 PM

Gumby

How much one of those things cost?

Gumby · 03-05-07, 06:45 PM

That one is a good'un. An IR
I paid about $160.

Harbor Freight has cheaper ones, but they're harbor Freight.

D'Animal · 03-05-07, 06:53 PM

Do you just replace the needles when they wear down or do you have to buy a new tool?

Gumby · 03-05-07, 06:55 PM

You can buy needles. I hope to never wear 'em down.

I can see breaking them when they get caught in things though.

eleblanc · 03-05-07, 07:25 PM

Gumby, does it only work at 90 degre or you can lay it and it will still run fine? What would be max angle?

Gumby · 03-06-07, 06:39 AM

It works better on the thick undercoating at an angle down to about 15 degrees.

colangut · 03-06-07, 09:22 AM

Gumby,

That's a great tool, but be careful on sheetmetal, it will ding and warp it.

I have found them to be really usefull on frames.

Have you seen a Snap-On Crud Thug or Wurth Remove All Tool?

Both rock.

-Stumbaugh

Gumby · 03-06-07, 09:46 AM

I was worried about the hood getting warped, but it was an old one for a junker. Anything was better than what it was.

That old 67 sheet metal is thick. It did just fine. I wont be using it on my 55 hood doors or panels. On the underside it's pretty well formed for strength. I haven't had any issues.

The IR scaler is adjustable as well.

bsevans · 03-07-07, 11:05 PM

What are the air supply requirements; CFM at what PSI?

bull · 03-07-07, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsevans

What are the air supply requirements; CFM at what PSI?

If you have to ask...you can't handle it

D'Animal · 03-08-07, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bull

If you have to ask...you can't handle it

LOL, LOL, LOL

Trollhole · 03-08-07, 02:23 PM

I've always wondered how well they worked. Thanks for the writeup. Will be on my wish list behind a body saw.

e rock · 03-09-07, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollhole

I've always wondered how well they worked. Thanks for the writeup.

x2

I've also seen a setup where the needles and their keeper twist onto the barrel of an ordinary air hammer (like the retainer spring normally would), but I can't remember where I saw it. I think it was pretty cheap...

D'Animal · 03-09-07, 06:53 AM

I just checked one out at FastenALL. It looked to be smaller than the the one Gumby had. It was not a brand that I was familar with.

$135

Has anybody tried to use this on the the 2F pan gasket removal?

Gumby · 03-09-07, 07:23 AM

It would tear up some cork gasket.

It really won't do a lot on decent paint. I wouldn't anybody going out to get one to take the paint of their truck. It really doesn't do much on the factory paint on the 73 55.

Gumby · 03-09-07, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsevans

What are the air supply requirements; CFM at what PSI?

12 CFM. I can't imagine it would require over 100 psi.

Arya Ebrahimi · 03-09-07, 08:22 AM

I'm trying to remove the undercoating from a pickup frame I have. The paint/powdercoat underneath the undercoating is in superb shape, and I'd like to keep it that way if possible. Do you think this would be a good tool for that, or would it mess up the paint too?

Thanks,

Ary

Gumby · 03-09-07, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arya Ebrahimi

I'm trying to remove the undercoating from a pickup frame I have. The paint/powdercoat underneath the undercoating is in superb shape, and I'd like to keep it that way if possible. Do you think this would be a good tool for that, or would it mess up the paint too?

Thanks,

Ary

It might ding it up a bit. It would give it a hammerite finish if anything.

03-05-07, 12:19 PM	#1
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 5,684	Rust scaler I just got a cool new tool based on some research in how to get rid of old rust and undercoating. It's called a scaler. It's used a lot in ships to get rid of scaly rust. It's just an air hammer with a bundle of needles - it's also called a needle scaler. It works really well. Pic 1 is the scaler Pic 2 is before Pic 3 is after about a minute. Attached Images __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich." Last edited by Gumby; 03-05-07 at 05:43 PM.

03-05-07, 12:21 PM	#2
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 5,684	Another couple of minutes on the really thick stuff in the wheel wells. Earmuffs, safety glasses and a particulate mask are a must. It'd really kind of suck without the rotisserie. Attached Images __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich."

03-05-07, 03:41 PM	#3
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03-05-07, 04:51 PM	#4
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03-05-07, 06:20 PM	#7
zebrabeefj40 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: southeastern IN TLCA# 7767 Posts: 1,732	The welders at work use those for chipping slag off fluxcore welds too. Been thinking of getting one for welding but don't weld enough. Forgot it worked for paint and rust too. Gotta find one now! Mmm... more tools. Nick

03-05-07, 06:45 PM	#10
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 5,684	That one is a good'un. An IR I paid about $160. Harbor Freight has cheaper ones, but they're harbor Freight. __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich."

03-05-07, 06:53 PM	#11
D'Animal Beagles Rule! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central California TLCA# 17104 Posts: 9,625	Do you just replace the needles when they wear down or do you have to buy a new tool? __________________ Cruiser Dan at American Toyota Phone is 1-800-432-6668 ext. 8 (I am not cruiser Dan)

03-05-07, 06:55 PM	#12
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 5,684	You can buy needles. I hope to never wear 'em down. I can see breaking them when they get caught in things though. __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich."

03-05-07, 07:25 PM	#13
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03-06-07, 06:39 AM	#14
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 5,684	It works better on the thick undercoating at an angle down to about 15 degrees. __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich."

03-06-07, 09:22 AM	#15
colangut IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Great Falls Virginia TLCA# 3521 Posts: 835	Gumby, That's a great tool, but be careful on sheetmetal, it will ding and warp it. I have found them to be really usefull on frames. Have you seen a Snap-On Crud Thug or Wurth Remove All Tool? Both rock. -Stumbaugh

03-06-07, 09:46 AM	#16
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 5,684	I was worried about the hood getting warped, but it was an old one for a junker. Anything was better than what it was. That old 67 sheet metal is thick. It did just fine. I wont be using it on my 55 hood doors or panels. On the underside it's pretty well formed for strength. I haven't had any issues. The IR scaler is adjustable as well. __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich."

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03-09-07, 06:53 AM	#22
D'Animal Beagles Rule! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central California TLCA# 17104 Posts: 9,625	I just checked one out at FastenALL. It looked to be smaller than the the one Gumby had. It was not a brand that I was familar with. $135 Has anybody tried to use this on the the 2F pan gasket removal? __________________ Cruiser Dan at American Toyota Phone is 1-800-432-6668 ext. 8 (I am not cruiser Dan)

03-09-07, 07:23 AM	#23
Gumby Former Wheeler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Knee deep in hookers and gin TLCA# 5658 Posts: 5,684	It would tear up some cork gasket. It really won't do a lot on decent paint. I wouldn't anybody going out to get one to take the paint of their truck. It really doesn't do much on the factory paint on the 73 55. __________________ War Pig and Cerdito "Don't you know, Stan, it's *always* between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich."

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Arya Ebrahimi Something clever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,435	I'm trying to remove the undercoating from a pickup frame I have. The paint/powdercoat underneath the undercoating is in superb shape, and I'd like to keep it that way if possible. Do you think this would be a good tool for that, or would it mess up the paint too? Thanks, Ary __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 200k miles, locked, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers My mini-truck buildup thread...updated 9/10 Mini-truck's first trip!! With PICS! 11/10