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anybody heard of a "Hercules" winch from Lodi, CA? made from P38 starter?
Winch for sale locally, very cheap.
Only info I have is that it's labeled "Hercules" Manuf, Lodi, CA, or something like that. Supposedly made from a P38 starter motor.
Anybody knows about this thing or similar?
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02-14-06, 11:38 AM
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never heard of it. you thinking about getting this for the 80 or the 100?
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02-14-06, 12:29 PM
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Do you need a winch, or are you just asking rhetorically?
If you need a winch:
Buy a Warn.
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02-14-06, 12:38 PM
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sounds like this may have been a small outfit that built some winches from surplus motors... could very well be powerful. Thing is that for $50 it may be worth playing with if it works OK.
I don't imagine it would fit in an ARB but I could conceivably build something to bolt to the frame or receiver for static work like pulling trees and such things...
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02-14-06, 04:13 PM
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Do you need a winch, or are you just asking rhetorically?
If you need a winch:
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If he can get one with surplus WWII aircraft parts in it, all the better... 
You see it's not the function, it's the form......... 
Think of the irony of fitting P-38 parts to a Land Cruiser...... 
What would Admiral Yamamato say?
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02-14-06, 10:18 PM
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If he can get one with surplus WWII aircraft parts in it, all the better...
You see it's not the function, it's the form.........
Think of the irony of fitting P-38 parts to a Land Cruiser......
What would Admiral Yamamato say? |
I got an idea: how about we rig an anti-theft system with a surplus M1 bolt that would snap on the thumbs of a would-be thief trying to hotwire our rigs? I'd go for that! Good use of surplus parts...
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'03: 112K, the better half's...
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02-14-06, 10:19 PM
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did P38s have 12V (external I imagine) starters? seems odd...
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'03: 112K, the better half's...
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02-15-06, 04:42 PM
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It's funny the reference to a P-38 lightning starter. It actually has nothing to do with a P-38, it's a starter for an Allison 1710 that happened to be used in P-38's , early P-51's and a couple other warbirds. Oh, they were 24v electrical systems, which if you have a Unimog or Pinz you'd be ok.
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02-15-06, 05:04 PM
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I didn't know that warplane engines like these had built-in inside starters...
I remember reading about the cartridge starters and then of course flinging the propellers in the olden days.
So these things had a battery on board that could turn these huge engines?
can one take a 24V motor and make it run OK on 12?
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'03: 112K, the better half's...
DD Accord
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02-15-06, 06:28 PM
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much slower if at all and no power.
 On the up side you could be the first to convert your cruiser to a 24v system (imagine a dual battery setup). By the time you go through that hassle and expense you might as well mount up a 24v Warn, Superwinch, Ramsey and have an electric motor that was mfg in the last year or two instead of 50+ years ago.
If you go that route make a DVD, I'll buy it just to help offset the endevour. 
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02-15-06, 06:29 PM
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After the above post I came up with an idea that might work more in your favor. Find a high powered 6v winch motor. It would help both power and line speed.
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02-15-06, 09:57 PM
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much slower if at all and no power.
On the up side you could be the first to convert your cruiser to a 24v system (imagine a dual battery setup). By the time you go through that hassle and expense you might as well mount up a 24v Warn, Superwinch, Ramsey and have an electric motor that was mfg in the last year or two instead of 50+ years ago.
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I was thinking the same thing. And to think Eric is teaching the future engineers that will build this country-we are doomed.
Let's get this straight-Eric, you want to adapt a winch, built by some dudes in a barn in Lodi, sometime in the last 50 years, that uses a 60 year old 24 volt airplane starter motor, to the front of your 80, no doubt hacking into a perfectly good ARB bumper. To save $500, you'll spend $750 hacking the ARB, $500 converting to a bastardized 24 volt electrical system, and $1200 when you fry the ECU the first time you use the winch. This is not to mention the $20,000 you'll spend when you burn the entire vehicle to the ground. Be sure to do this outside or it will get even more expensive. Eric, seriously, what are you thinking? Don't be a cheap bastard. Either buy a fully tested Warn winch with modern controls and a NEW motor, or go find another hobby. As a bonus, the mounting holes will even line up with those in the ARB bull bar. Almost like it's designed that way. 
But if you do attempt this, I want a copy of the DVD as well.
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1976 FJ40 Rusting slowly in the back yard
1984 FJ-60 H41, Toybox, 4.11, SOA, twin sticks and more
1989 FJ-62 125k-Stock, daily driver
1997 FZJ-80 Driveway queen, with door dent
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02-15-06, 11:45 PM
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everybody sing
Just about a year ago
I set out on the offroad
Seekin’ bent frame and fortune
Lookin’ for a trail of gold
rocks got bad and mud got worse
I guess you know the tune
Oh lord, stuck with my lodi again
I came in on a landcruiser
I’ll be walkin’ out if I go
I was just passin’ through
Must be seven hours or more
Ran out of juice for my battery
but I saved $200
Oh, lord, stuck with my lodi again
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02-16-06, 12:46 AM
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cute, but no, I wasn't thinking about putting this on the truck. But if it could pull a few trees for all of $50, I'd do it.
Moot point if it's 24V though.
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'03: 112K, the better half's...
DD Accord
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02-16-06, 11:57 AM
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Any pics of the winch? I have run across lot of old winches, Sidewinders, Beavers, etc... But never Hercules...
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02-16-06, 02:43 PM
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Any pics of the winch? I have run across lot of old winches, Sidewinders, Beavers, etc... But never Hercules...
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no, I haven't seen it, sorry. I may just go look at it out of curiosity, though. This P38 issue is sortof intriguing...
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'03: 112K, the better half's...
DD Accord
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02-16-06, 02:47 PM
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I have run across lot of old winches, Sidewinders, Beavers, etc...
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damn, you and I must frequent the same bars...:hillbilly
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02-16-06, 07:24 PM
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LOL! :hillbilly
Same bar Jed?
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02-17-06, 03:39 PM
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damn, you and I must frequent the same bars...:hillbilly
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Figured someone would get a kick out of that...
Here is my BEAVER winch...
Or
http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/...3&d=1103409529
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02-18-06, 04:52 PM
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much slower if at all and no power.
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Huh?
My 1977 BJ40 is 24 volts all the way with a dual battery setup, and I don't think it's a first  .
(oh.........Admiral Yamamoto was killed when two P-38s shot down his plane, for any who missed Dan's fun)
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02-19-06, 07:27 PM
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If you really want it, why not just have a dedicated battery bank for it...
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honk,
this all started with the idea of running the 24v winch with a 12v system.
e would/could be the first to design a 24v setup for an late model 80 series. I was aware that there are 40's - 70's that have 24v systems.
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02-21-06, 08:59 PM
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Winch for sale locally, very cheap.
Only info I have is that it's labeled "Hercules" Manuf, Lodi, CA, or something like that. Supposedly made from a P38 starter motor.
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What year is it manufactured. I grew up in Lodi and I can see if any oldtimers know anyting about them or are they a new company getting started?
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02-22-06, 02:14 AM
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What year is it manufactured. I grew up in Lodi and I can see if any oldtimers know anyting about them or are they a new company getting started?
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thanks, but don't worry about it, not so important. No idea how old this thing is, haven't seen it yet even.
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'03: 112K, the better half's...
DD Accord
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The '64 40 I have had an airplane starter winch on it. I'll have to see if I can find a pic.
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heard back from the guy. It is indeed a 24V he thinks, or at least it uses 2 batteries...
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'97: 89K, 3xlock, Custom HD roo bar for sale, see Classifieds for SnT, 285 MT/Rs on steelies, Hanna sliders, 851+1.5"/863/N73/N74E/SD24, ARB bull with M12, Kaymar with duals, Kaymar rack, Slee TC skid, 2m/440, more stuff, loose nut behind the wheel!)
'03: 112K, the better half's...
DD Accord
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If it is really a starter motor from a P-38 it is likely a 28 volt motor.
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Pics??? I gotta see this
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Hercules Winches Lodi
I have your answer, 3 years later.
The Hercules Winches were made Jim Barnhardt.
He was quit a guy. Unfortunately he passed away the other day.
I haven't been close to the family for many year, but I do remember the winches were made of a aircraft starter motors.
His family still resides at their home outside Lodi, CA 95240.
Jim had two son's, John and Jerry, I'm sure they wouldn't mind talking about their dad's complishments in manufacturing.
James Barnhardt Obituary: James Barnhardt?s Obituary by the LodiNews.
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military cucvs have a 24 volt starter and the rest is 12 volt .they use 2 12v alternaters so it shouldnt be to hard to do .
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