Tube bender proposal for club - Page 2

colangut · 11-02-09, 10:47 AM

YouTube - Hummer on the RTI Ramp ... Rolls it

Ha Ha

Luthier · 11-02-09, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by John Smith

Eugene, Thanks for letting us know your feelings on the tube bender idea. Unfortunately since you are not a paid member in good standing of the CLCC you don't get an official vote in the matter.

Actually John I am one of less than a handful of persons to have been given a CLCC Lifetime membership. I no longer recall who the other Life members are. 8^P

In spite of this I have payed my annual dues every so often because I felt it was a good thing to do.

Regards
-- Eugene

colangut · 11-02-09, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Luthier

Actually John I am one of less than a handful of persons to have been given a CLCC Lifetime membership. I no longer recall who the other Life members are. 8^P

Regards
-- Eugene

Eguene,

BS.

No one has a lifetime membership. If anyone did, or if anyone deserved it, it would be James Asti the club's founder or Josh Fleming - who has done more for the club than any other person involved. Behind him would be Guillermo, Lance, Rob, Cammy, Scott, etc.

You have been around no longer than I have. We've never had a lifetime membership.

H2o · 11-02-09, 11:59 AM

It was Josh, when i contacted him to write a history of the club who mentioned that he had a 'life time' membership. I brought it up at the meeting and us 'youts' had never heard of it and were floored. I looked into it and our bylaws (that surfaced a few years back) does mention a lifetime membership. Now if it was awarded or not, none of us would be able to double check unless we still have the meeting minutes from that time.

colangut · 11-02-09, 12:08 PM

This is getting off topic! But I just called Josh to ask him.

John Smith · 11-02-09, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luthier

Actually John I am one of less than a handful of persons to have been given a CLCC Lifetime membership. I no longer recall who the other Life members are. 8^P

In spite of this I have payed my annual dues every so often because I felt it was a good thing to do.

Regards
-- Eugene

Eugene, I have asked for years for you or anyone else to produce something official from the club that states anything about this "Lifetime Membership" thing and I have yet to see anything but Josh's reference to it in his club history write up. AFAIC there are no "Lifetime Members" of the CLCC who are not required to pay dues.

John Smith · 11-02-09, 12:15 PM

To get this thread back on topic. I think we should follow guidelines like this if we do decide to purchase a bender. http://forum.ih8mud.com/sc-upstate-c...uc-bender.html

H2o · 11-02-09, 12:16 PM

No worries. The topic is the Tube bender. There was an overwhelming interest. We will look at the tube bender that Colangut brought to the table as a viable option. We will look at the issues that Luthier brought to the table... And we will go from there.

We will not sneak this through but put it to a proper vote. We had thought of the possibility of using ih8mud or email to vote, but we need to see if the bylaws would allow us to do so. The idea being that this is a major purchase and we want to make sure all members can vote.

H2o · 11-02-09, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by John Smith

To get this thread back on topic. I think we should follow guidelines like this if we do decide to purchase a bender. http://forum.ih8mud.com/sc-upstate-c...uc-bender.html

Wow, thanks John. That is a great start. Reading that first post brings up some points I had not thought about. Any liability wavers?

Charging a fee would be a good way to justify spending the money. It would also help maintain it if anyone broke something and did not own up to the damage. AND would help us buy more dies and tools.

John Smith · 11-02-09, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by H2o

Wow, thanks John. That is a great start. Reading that first post brings up some points I had not thought about. Any liability wavers?

Charging a fee would be a good way to justify spending the money. It would also help maintain it if anyone broke something and did not own up to the damage. AND would help us buy more dies and tools.

If liability waivers would make people happy, by all means we can use them. The bottom line is you can sue anyone for just about anything in our fine country. I can have you sign one of those "sign away your life waivers", the way you must before you bungee jump or parachute, and your family can still turn around and sue me.

Let's start another thread about the legal and liability issues and try to keep this thread on topic.

Felix · 11-02-09, 01:06 PM

[Moderator] I made a failed attempt to keep this on track by deleting the first post about one's membership status. Since that post ended up being quoted and y'all decided to go ahead and have it out, I restored the original post. [/Moderator]

H2o · 11-02-09, 01:17 PM

Here you go:

http://forum.ih8mud.com/va-dc-md-cap...iscussion.html

No more talking about the legal aspect in this thread... only bender talk.

Luthier created a thread on bylaws. Please move all discussions on lifetime membership, bylaws, etc... to that thread.

Thanks.

John Smith · 11-03-09, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by colangut

Mo Bettah:

Tube and Pipe Benders

Cheaper

Simpler

and all that you need...

Get the 1.5 square die to make sliders...

my .02c

-Stumbaugh

It is nowhere in the specs but based on only 120 dies being available and after watching the video animation it looks like it is limited to that based on design. I think 240deg die thing is important. The 120 is limiting.

colangut · 11-03-09, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by John Smith

It is nowhere in the specs but based on only 120 dies being available and after watching the video animation it looks like it is limited to that based on design. I think 240deg die thing is important. The 120 is limiting.

Most of your bends are going to be somewhere close to 90, so unless your building a shock hoop or a driveshaft hoop, I can't see where you'd need 240?

Metal Art - yea, cages - no.

What do you need to bend more than 120?

John Smith · 11-04-09, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by colangut

Most of your bends are going to be somewhere close to 90, so unless your building a shock hoop or a driveshaft hoop, I can't see where you'd need 240?

Metal Art - yea, cages - no.

What do you need to bend more than 120?

Shock hoops, stingers, bumpers, sliders. 120 just seems limiting to me.

colangut · 11-04-09, 08:31 AM

I can see shock hoops but the rest you wouldn't need it. You'd probably also want to build shock hoops out of smaller tube and then you could make 2 bends.

That is also pretty hard core stuff. How many of the members need to build radical stuff vs. just having a cage, sliders, bumpers, etc?

Call them up and talk to them. I'm sure they have come across this issue before and could give you some advice about it.

Jakes40 · 11-04-09, 03:47 PM

maybe I'm the exception not the norm but to build a stinger you need more than 120. I guess it depends on the cost difference but why get something you can only do half of what you may like to do.

just my .02

Chris

colangut · 11-04-09, 04:23 PM

You don't need more than that to build a stinger.

Especially if you make 2 small bends at either side.

Don't get me wrong, if you have the cash, get the nicer tool.

You've been in my garage, you know I think that myself...I've become friends with my Snapon Rep. That says it all. (and I'm not even a mechanic).

StaleAle · 11-05-09, 11:40 PM

Based on the discussion at last night's meeting, we probably need to seriously consider less expensive options such as those alternatives proposed.

Does being able to bend a shock hoop justify spending several hundred $$ more? How much are shock hoops? How many of us will need that capability? Don't get me wrong, I almost always buy more tool than I need (don't tell my wife) but that's my prerogative when spending my own money. I'm not sure we'll get enough support if we go for the pricey model. Especially because that price only includes one set of dies.

Jakes40 · 11-10-09, 06:35 PM

I talked to my boss we have a laptop to donate but I have to wipe out the operating system and our proprietary software off it. The only operating software I have is windows 2000 or windows 98/95. The comp. has 2000 on it now (I believe). Its a Dell Latitude 600. it also has no floppy drive and the battery is shot but I have a power supply for it.

Chris

John Smith · 11-11-09, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StaleAle

Based on the discussion at last night's meeting, we probably need to seriously consider less expensive options such as those alternatives proposed.

Does being able to bend a shock hoop justify spending several hundred $$ more? How much are shock hoops? How many of us will need that capability? Don't get me wrong, I almost always buy more tool than I need (don't tell my wife) but that's my prerogative when spending my own money. I'm not sure we'll get enough support if we go for the pricey model. Especially because that price only includes one set of dies.

Then let's focus on the ProTools bender Stumbaugh brought to the table. I am probably one of the few who would use the higher degree dies and I agree that the price difference is huge.

colangut · 11-11-09, 05:22 PM

I say nix the software. Not needed.

Go for bang for the buck. Bender, notcher and a few dies.

I'd be glad to host a tube fab welding class. In Mid Feb just for Sebastian the Brazilian French Polar Explorer who loves the cold.

Maybe Sebastian can break out his inverter tig and we can play with the pulser.

Welding upside down with the pulser is much easer.