80 Series Expedition to Baja

EDPA · 07-29-05, 11:56 PM

With the positive response of e9999s "Expedition" thread and talk about a trip to Baja, I'd thought I'd start a new thread specifically to determine the response to something like this. What a great opportunity it would be for people in this forum to show off their trucks, but faces to names, have a lot of fun, and learn a few things from the forum masters. Maybe it can turn into a annual event, who knows. Also, imagine seeing a long line of 80 series Cruisers. How cool would that be. So first off, how long would a trip like this take starting in San Diego?

beno · 07-30-05, 12:02 AM

We should do it in the winter (post Xmas and New Year's) when every one is bogged down in the snow (well, at least some of us) and would love to get away for a bit.

I'd say a one-week journey might be good.

We'd also have to include a few days traveling for some of us--I'm in.!!!!

Best.
-onur
Akron, OH

Boston Mangler · 07-30-05, 12:13 AM

Well, we are on one of the big race teams that races Baja and we just tooked 3rd in the baja 500 (sorry for the shameless plug, but i couldnt resist)! http://www.yankeetoys.org/mangler/baja500.htm

Depending on what folks want to do, there are a many different options.

FOR THE SHORT WEEKEND VERSION: I know of a great campsite (http://www.playasaldamando.com) that is right on the water and can accomodate 15 rigs or so PER SITE that is only $13 a night and is RIGHT ON THE WATER! I have camped here many times and love it! The campsite is approx 1.5-2 hours south of San Diego!!! Here are some pics: http://www.yankeetoys.org/mangler/mexico05.htm

One option that might be good is camping there as base camp and exploring during the day and returning to camp at night and make to make the first "Baja 80 Series Expedition" a weekend event! I would feel much more comfortble helping organize this, as this is what my knowledge is limited too! Beyond this, i would be out of my comfort zone!

I think it would be a nice and safe way for people to get their first baja experience. Its hard to explain but things down there are very different and if something goes wrong AAA doesnt go there, and your must be self sufficent! Prep is the key! There would be a good amount of trust needed for all parties involved in this adventure! The more you get into the depths of Baja, the more spanish is needed! We got lost driving a chase truck chasing our car during the race and getting directions was damn near impossible, luckily we came across another chase truck that lead us to the pit!!

I have fairly limited knowledge of Baja but it intrigues me tremendously and i have been waiting for a chance to explore it more! My suggestion is doing a small weekend exploration first and then possibly a bigger one later.

Of course, anyone is welcome to do what they wish, this is just my two cents. There are A LOT of logistics involved that people dont think about.

A one week journey as beno suggests sounds great! Getting people to take charge of doing the planning may be a big tough, but i would love to do a trip like that!

Also, has anyone tried these yet?: http://www.gmap.com.mx/ba/index.htm They seem like a great idea and would help tremendously for something like this!

OZCAL · 07-30-05, 01:10 AM

I'm in, as far as the insurance company allows (K55? Hussongs?)

Boston Mangler · 07-30-05, 01:13 AM

I use my AAA membership for the insurance. Any AAA office can get you mexican insurance and its very easy. Mine usually runs about $20 a day for the full coverage stuff! A car accident in Mexico can be a felony!

Some folks i go with get it at the border to save an extra $10 or so. I would rather pay the extra to a company i trust!

My .02

parabola · 07-30-05, 01:28 AM

I'd be interested! I'd have friends that would want to go also who run 60s or mini-trucks too though. I'm sure we wouldn't oppose them going along?

TX_TLC · 07-30-05, 01:28 AM

Cool idea...but probably belongs in the Trail Rides/Expedition forum....

Bluto · 07-30-05, 02:24 AM

I would be interested in a weekend trip. Got kids and all of that. Maybe during the month of Dec if this year. It would be great to connect names to faces as mentioned. It would also be a learning experience for me in terms of really getting out of the asphalt when vacationing.

reffug · 07-30-05, 02:55 AM

Gotta agree with TX TLC guys. Sounds like an excellent idea, I wish I lived close enough to consider it to even be a possibility for me but alas no. Moving this to trail rides and expeditions but will leave redirect here in the 80 tech forum.

Mr.Bryan · 07-30-05, 08:32 AM

I'd love to do something like that... a week at least as a weekend wouldnt justify the 3000 mi trip out there for me... but it would completely depend on when ya'll we're looking to do the trip.

Panzer · 07-30-05, 01:39 PM

We've been kicking this idea around for a few months. So far it is 2 cruisers and a mini looking at running all the way to cabo and back. 10 days in country. camping on the beach. kayaking and snorkleing and stuff. 8+ hours of seat time a day.
I did a simlar trip in 92 and did not make cabo because we found a killer beach and just hung out until we ran out of h20 and had to go to town.
This trip if we don't make cabo it is just an excuse to try again in a couple of years. In otherwords...no set agenda.
Right now we are debating late march /early april of 06. or maybe holding out for 07. depends on vacation and money.
Any later than April and it gets darned warm out there in the desert. Fall could be an option but that is hurricane season so the weather could cause some major problems.
I oringinally wanted to go down via San Diego and come out via the ferry at Guyamas and up through mainland Mex to laredo or something along there.
With the current "issues" in Laredo (and most of the US/MEX border area) I am now thinking more like in and out via San Diego or Mexicali.
More the merrier if anyone else wants to jump in.

Brentbba · 07-30-05, 02:20 PM

I'd be interested in a weekend, but that's about all I can do.

Boston Mangler · 07-30-05, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brentbba

I'd be interested in a weekend, but that's about all I can do.

Ditto, maybe 2 different trips/groups!

mason · 07-30-05, 09:21 PM

Sounds excellent. I was wanting to go scuba diving around Puerto Penasco sometime soon, and a trip like this would be the perfect reason!

elum · 07-30-05, 09:26 PM

i think a good idea would be to all launch down to Baja at the same time.. then group A leaves after the weekend and group B remains for the week..

a good thing to have will be packing lists, maps, etc...

i've I'm back from overseas in time... The Mrs, I, and the Dog will be there granted I can get leave from work.. which shouldn't be a problem.. So if it's after Dec 11th or so I'm game..

mason · 07-30-05, 09:31 PM

Also, Mangler, since we were talking about your cell phone antenna on the other thread, what's the coverage with cell phones down along Mexico? Does anyone know what technology is the most widely used (TDMA, CDMA, GSM or A/B analog)? If it's poor and iffy, a good 3dB or 5dB antenna with a metal ground plane or elevated feed model will work wonders in the bad areas. Anyone tried this yet down there?

clownmidget · 07-30-05, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mason

Also, Mangler, since we were talking about your cell phone antenna on the other thread, what's the coverage with cell phones down along Mexico?

You can now also rent satellite phones for a very reasonable rate and then you only pay for actual use. Pretty handy for emergency use situations where you'd rather not play games with "Can you hear me now - I'm bleeding from my head!"

(http://www.satellitephonestore.com)

clownmidget · 07-30-05, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brentbba

I'd be interested in a weekend, but that's about all I can do.

For just a weekend I'd focus on everything north of Bahia de Los Angeles. The crossing at Tecate and then the southern route down to Puertecitos then on to B de LA would fit into a weekend nicely. Can't forget swinging through Coco's Corner either. You can sea kayak out to some of the islands in the Sea of Cortez and snorkel/dive if conditions are good. Storms can be weird down there though on the water (http://www.bajaquest.com/bola/article02.htm).

LandCruiserPhil · 07-30-05, 10:47 PM

If you plan to be down in Baja on the 3rd weekend in November you can witness the Baja 1000. Worth the trip alone! This year is a loop race so all the action will be on northern Baja.

Boston Mangler · 07-31-05, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mason

Also, Mangler, since we were talking about your cell phone antenna on the other thread, what's the coverage with cell phones down along Mexico? Does anyone know what technology is the most widely used (TDMA, CDMA, GSM or A/B analog)? If it's poor and iffy, a good 3dB or 5dB antenna with a metal ground plane or elevated feed model will work wonders in the bad areas. Anyone tried this yet down there?

Cell phone coverage is pretty randomn down there, usually it doesnt work at all, but i have had full bars in some random areas until we got to Ensenada then nothing!, i use Sprint. SPRINT offer "Mexico Coverage" for an extra $5-$10 a month. We had a guy that had verizon that had full service up until about ensanada and then nothing.

As for the sat phones, from my one and only experience with them (at the baja 500) they are VERY overrated! Sure, they MIGHT be good in emergencys but when we tried to use them during the race they work about 1 time out of 5 and usually came in horrible and couldnt understand anything6! We had the top of the line "Iridium" ones too! Have others used these with good results?

Quote:

Originally Posted by clownmidget

You can now also rent satellite phones for a very reasonable rate and then you only pay for actual use. Pretty handy for emergency use situations where you'd rather not play games with "Can you hear me now - I'm bleeding from my head!"

(http://www.satellitephonestore.com)

I just checked out that site and it looks like a pretty good idea! Again, they arent all that great, but in a life of death situation, its better then nothing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

If you plan to be down in Baja on the 3rd weekend in November you can witness the Baja 1000. Worth the trip alone! This year is a loop race so all the action will be on northern Baja.

Yes, we will be there for that!

mason · 07-31-05, 10:36 AM

Looks like with a group or not, I may try to go to see the Baja. That was my dream career when I was a kid, but never had the money to afford the equipment to get started. Now being close to retirement, I might actually get to see one! BTW, anyone see "Dust to Glory?" That was one awesome movie!

Boston Mangler · 07-31-05, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mason

Looks like with a group or not, I may try to go to see the Baja. That was my dream career when I was a kid, but never had the money to afford the equipment to get started. Now being close to retirement, I might actually get to see one! BTW, anyone see "Dust to Glory?" That was one awesome movie!

Yes, dust to glory rocked!

Hltoppr · 08-01-05, 10:27 AM

As for timing, the last couple of years in December and January have been pretty windy and a tad brisk (even for Mexico). June of this year was hot, but not unbearable.

I think we're looking at spring or fall for the next trip to baja.

As for equipment lists, there are several in a thread in Outfitting.

I've always had gread reception with a Globalstar sat phone, and wouldn't leave home for Mexico without it.

The ferry from Santa Rosalia to Guaymas will run you about $185 for just your vehicle, and another $75 for a cabin.

If you're worried about Laredo, just take the toll road up from Guaymas to Nogales and through to Tucson. The toll road misses virtually the entire boarder town of Nogales, and is easy!

Border violence is getting a lot of press lately. The solution....keep moving from these areas and into the more southern towns!

Don't worry about Baja, just get your insurance, your tourist permit if going into Baja Sur (Guerro Negro and South), and take your passport! GO!

-H-

Biff · 08-01-05, 10:44 AM

This sounds like an awesome trip. I'd be up for it.

Pyro-boy · 08-01-05, 07:33 PM

I am interested, hoping to go down next spring.

Vince

tucker74 · 08-02-05, 08:10 AM

I'd be interested in putting together a contingent to come down through Larado and across at Guaymas if anyone’s interested. This route would be closer for a lot of people and I've been down that way a couple of times. It would be cool to meet up with the whole group coming down from California. We could also come across out by Big Bend - never been that way but the Davis Mountains would be a great addition and we wouldn't have to go through Larado. Any interest?

Tucker

Buckru · 08-02-05, 10:01 AM

I'd be up for a trip in the Spring.

Buck

Panzer · 08-02-05, 04:25 PM

Wow, this is starting to look like it could happen.
End of March or early April...Have to be at least a couple of weeks after LSLC's Roundup.

07-29-05, 11:56 PM	#1
EDPA IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 107	80 Series Expedition to Baja With the positive response of e9999s "Expedition" thread and talk about a trip to Baja, I'd thought I'd start a new thread specifically to determine the response to something like this. What a great opportunity it would be for people in this forum to show off their trucks, but faces to names, have a lot of fun, and learn a few things from the forum masters. Maybe it can turn into a annual event, who knows. Also, imagine seeing a long line of 80 series Cruisers. How cool would that be. So first off, how long would a trip like this take starting in San Diego? __________________ 1997 FZJ80: ARB'd & OME'd, Slee'd, BFG'd, CDL'd, Hella'd, African Outbacked

07-30-05, 12:02 AM	#2
beno IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Corrales, NM TLCA# 14607 Posts: 3,638	We should do it in the winter (post Xmas and New Year's) when every one is bogged down in the snow (well, at least some of us) and would love to get away for a bit. I'd say a one-week journey might be good. We'd also have to include a few days traveling for some of us--I'm in.!!!! Best. -onur Akron, OH __________________ 1997 FZJ80 with and without lots of stuff. 2001 Honda Accord 3.0L V6 VTEC Coupe EX.

07-30-05, 12:13 AM	#3
Boston Mangler IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego TLCA# 9060 Posts: 3,582	Well, we are on one of the big race teams that races Baja and we just tooked 3rd in the baja 500 (sorry for the shameless plug, but i couldnt resist)! http://www.yankeetoys.org/mangler/baja500.htm Depending on what folks want to do, there are a many different options. FOR THE SHORT WEEKEND VERSION: I know of a great campsite (http://www.playasaldamando.com) that is right on the water and can accomodate 15 rigs or so PER SITE that is only $13 a night and is RIGHT ON THE WATER! I have camped here many times and love it! The campsite is approx 1.5-2 hours south of San Diego!!! Here are some pics: http://www.yankeetoys.org/mangler/mexico05.htm One option that might be good is camping there as base camp and exploring during the day and returning to camp at night and make to make the first "Baja 80 Series Expedition" a weekend event! I would feel much more comfortble helping organize this, as this is what my knowledge is limited too! Beyond this, i would be out of my comfort zone! I think it would be a nice and safe way for people to get their first baja experience. Its hard to explain but things down there are very different and if something goes wrong AAA doesnt go there, and your must be self sufficent! Prep is the key! There would be a good amount of trust needed for all parties involved in this adventure! The more you get into the depths of Baja, the more spanish is needed! We got lost driving a chase truck chasing our car during the race and getting directions was damn near impossible, luckily we came across another chase truck that lead us to the pit!! I have fairly limited knowledge of Baja but it intrigues me tremendously and i have been waiting for a chance to explore it more! My suggestion is doing a small weekend exploration first and then possibly a bigger one later. Of course, anyone is welcome to do what they wish, this is just my two cents. There are A LOT of logistics involved that people dont think about. A one week journey as beno suggests sounds great! Getting people to take charge of doing the planning may be a big tough, but i would love to do a trip like that! Also, has anyone tried these yet?: http://www.gmap.com.mx/ba/index.htm They seem like a great idea and would help tremendously for something like this! __________________ Baja Overland www.bajaoverland.com 2006 XR650L TLCA #9060 Own a Land Cruiser? Join TLCA Today @ www.tlca.org Last edited by Boston Mangler; 07-30-05 at 01:17 AM.

07-30-05, 01:10 AM	#4
OZCAL IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,000 Blog Entries: 1	I'm in, as far as the insurance company allows (K55? Hussongs?) __________________ OZ - '97 80, 269,000 k's (Australian GXL) RHD, subtank, CDL, hand throttle, steel wheels w/Dueler 285/75/16s, cloth seats; dual batts, George's LEDs, Yakima rack CAL - '97 LX 450, 136,000 miles (US spec) stock + CDL, George's LEDs.

07-30-05, 01:13 AM	#5
Boston Mangler IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego TLCA# 9060 Posts: 3,582	I use my AAA membership for the insurance. Any AAA office can get you mexican insurance and its very easy. Mine usually runs about $20 a day for the full coverage stuff! A car accident in Mexico can be a felony! Some folks i go with get it at the border to save an extra $10 or so. I would rather pay the extra to a company i trust! My .02 __________________ Baja Overland www.bajaoverland.com 2006 XR650L TLCA #9060 Own a Land Cruiser? Join TLCA Today @ www.tlca.org

07-30-05, 01:28 AM	#6
parabola IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pflugerville, TX TLCA# 15248 Posts: 306	I'd be interested! I'd have friends that would want to go also who run 60s or mini-trucks too though. I'm sure we wouldn't oppose them going along? __________________ Josh '97 LX450 - Factory Lockers, CDL Switch, Pin 7 mod, Cupholder, OME HD 2.5", 285/75/16 Revo A/Ts, JK Sliders, Hanna Rear Bumper, ARB front bumper. '94 Toyota Supra Turbo - Down for now. '94 Honda Civic EX Coupe - 30MPG

07-30-05, 01:28 AM	#7
TX_TLC IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Texas TLCA# 14457 Posts: 1,304	Cool idea...but probably belongs in the Trail Rides/Expedition forum.... __________________ 1994 FZJ80, stock, emerald green, 148k TLCA #14457 LSLC Member TX_TLC ROTW "We will know how long they last when the first one wears out."

07-30-05, 02:24 AM	#8
Bluto IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N. LA Co. CA Posts: 841	I would be interested in a weekend trip. Got kids and all of that. Maybe during the month of Dec if this year. It would be great to connect names to faces as mentioned. It would also be a learning experience for me in terms of really getting out of the asphalt when vacationing. __________________ Alan 95 FZJ80

07-30-05, 02:55 AM	#9
reffug grown up MOD Join Date: May 2004 Location: 'in dat der briar patch' TLCA# 14549 Posts: 3,773	Gotta agree with TX TLC guys. Sounds like an excellent idea, I wish I lived close enough to consider it to even be a possibility for me but alas no. Moving this to trail rides and expeditions but will leave redirect here in the 80 tech forum. __________________ "If it wasn't a Landcruiser and hadn't been built the way it was you do realize you would be DEAD." VA State Police Officer

07-30-05, 08:32 AM	#10
Mr.Bryan IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tinley Park, IL Posts: 378	I'd love to do something like that... a week at least as a weekend wouldnt justify the 3000 mi trip out there for me... but it would completely depend on when ya'll we're looking to do the trip. __________________ Loose wires literally dangle out the bottom. In the fairly likely event of the software crashing a wire coming loose a component failing or the batteries running low the wheels will stop and the entire kinetic energy of the system will be used to accelerate my head toward the ground.

07-30-05, 01:39 PM	#11
Panzer IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hurst,Texas TLCA# 12003 Posts: 390	We've been kicking this idea around for a few months. So far it is 2 cruisers and a mini looking at running all the way to cabo and back. 10 days in country. camping on the beach. kayaking and snorkleing and stuff. 8+ hours of seat time a day. I did a simlar trip in 92 and did not make cabo because we found a killer beach and just hung out until we ran out of h20 and had to go to town. This trip if we don't make cabo it is just an excuse to try again in a couple of years. In otherwords...no set agenda. Right now we are debating late march /early april of 06. or maybe holding out for 07. depends on vacation and money. Any later than April and it gets darned warm out there in the desert. Fall could be an option but that is hurricane season so the weather could cause some major problems. I oringinally wanted to go down via San Diego and come out via the ferry at Guyamas and up through mainland Mex to laredo or something along there. With the current "issues" in Laredo (and most of the US/MEX border area) I am now thinking more like in and out via San Diego or Mexicali. More the merrier if anyone else wants to jump in.

07-30-05, 02:20 PM	#12
Brentbba On the Golf Course! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA TLCA# 13420 Posts: 4,824	I'd be interested in a weekend, but that's about all I can do. __________________ Brent '94 White LC; Kaymar Rear Bumper w/tire carrier; Hanna Sliders; ARB winch ready Front Bumper; Slee Transfer Case Skid Plate; Revo 285's, OME 850/863 Heavy 2" lift, INTI Rack; Warn M12000 Winch, Snorkel; Sputnik! TLCA Member #13420; KI6SGO

07-30-05, 09:21 PM	#14
mason IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new mexico Posts: 234	Sounds excellent. I was wanting to go scuba diving around Puerto Penasco sometime soon, and a trip like this would be the perfect reason!

07-30-05, 09:26 PM	#15
elum IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Inland Empire Posts: 308	i think a good idea would be to all launch down to Baja at the same time.. then group A leaves after the weekend and group B remains for the week.. a good thing to have will be packing lists, maps, etc... i've I'm back from overseas in time... The Mrs, I, and the Dog will be there granted I can get leave from work.. which shouldn't be a problem.. So if it's after Dec 11th or so I'm game..

07-30-05, 09:31 PM	#16
mason IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new mexico Posts: 234	Also, Mangler, since we were talking about your cell phone antenna on the other thread, what's the coverage with cell phones down along Mexico? Does anyone know what technology is the most widely used (TDMA, CDMA, GSM or A/B analog)? If it's poor and iffy, a good 3dB or 5dB antenna with a metal ground plane or elevated feed model will work wonders in the bad areas. Anyone tried this yet down there?

07-30-05, 10:47 PM	#19
LandCruiserPhil IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: in a bus Posts: 2,790	If you plan to be down in Baja on the 3rd weekend in November you can witness the Baja 1000. Worth the trip alone! This year is a loop race so all the action will be on northern Baja. __________________ "Knowledge without experience is just information" Copper State Cruisers #003

07-31-05, 10:36 AM	#21
mason IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new mexico Posts: 234	Looks like with a group or not, I may try to go to see the Baja. That was my dream career when I was a kid, but never had the money to afford the equipment to get started. Now being close to retirement, I might actually get to see one! BTW, anyone see "Dust to Glory?" That was one awesome movie!

08-01-05, 10:27 AM	#23
Hltoppr When In Doubt, Go Higher! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Port of Indecision...otherwise Northern Arizona Posts: 1,799	As for timing, the last couple of years in December and January have been pretty windy and a tad brisk (even for Mexico). June of this year was hot, but not unbearable. I think we're looking at spring or fall for the next trip to baja. As for equipment lists, there are several in a thread in Outfitting. I've always had gread reception with a Globalstar sat phone, and wouldn't leave home for Mexico without it. The ferry from Santa Rosalia to Guaymas will run you about $185 for just your vehicle, and another $75 for a cabin. If you're worried about Laredo, just take the toll road up from Guaymas to Nogales and through to Tucson. The toll road misses virtually the entire boarder town of Nogales, and is easy! Border violence is getting a lot of press lately. The solution....keep moving from these areas and into the more southern towns! Don't worry about Baja, just get your insurance, your tourist permit if going into Baja Sur (Guerro Negro and South), and take your passport! GO! -H- __________________ 2003 BMW R1150GS Adventure 1983 FJ45 Troopy KE7TYL ...and then there is always Mexico....

08-01-05, 10:44 AM	#24
Biff Infidel for hire Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles TLCA# 14778 Posts: 1,882	This sounds like an awesome trip. I'd be up for it. __________________ Victor 08 FJ TT edition 71 fj40 project rig

08-01-05, 07:33 PM	#25
Pyro-boy IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern New Mexico TLCA# 14376 Posts: 313	I am interested, hoping to go down next spring. Vince __________________ 1995 FZJ80 Moonglow Pearl, ARB FR, Slee rear, 305/70/16 Toyo's and full length roof rack. 1973 FJ40 2F, mud sticker and soft top 2009 VW JETTA TDI ا

08-02-05, 08:10 AM	#26
tucker74 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,904	I'd be interested in putting together a contingent to come down through Larado and across at Guaymas if anyone’s interested. This route would be closer for a lot of people and I've been down that way a couple of times. It would be cool to meet up with the whole group coming down from California. We could also come across out by Big Bend - never been that way but the Davis Mountains would be a great addition and we wouldn't have to go through Larado. Any interest? Tucker __________________ '94 FZJ80 '76 FJ40 www.walcs.com

08-02-05, 10:01 AM	#27
Buckru IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston, Texas TLCA# 13863 Posts: 554	I'd be up for a trip in the Spring. Buck __________________ Toyota 4x4's of Texas aka T4x4T 97 LX450 OME 2.5, 1" spacers, CDL w/pin7, Toyo 315's, cup holder, Bullbar, Hannah Sliders & Rear Bumper. TLCA# 13863

08-02-05, 04:25 PM	#28
Panzer IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hurst,Texas TLCA# 12003 Posts: 390	Wow, this is starting to look like it could happen. End of March or early April...Have to be at least a couple of weeks after LSLC's Roundup.